Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018) • Hacker News Board

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by adjkant » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

vb6sp6 wrote: post #18

Trasmatta wrote: post #13

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Yeah, I keep seeing the "well, Trump won!" argument anytime somebody suggests that a certain person wouldn't win an election. But that ignores Trump's unique characteristics that allowed him to gain a significant and loyal following. I feel like Zuckerberg trying to run would be a Mike Bloomberg situation. Remember when that happened?

1) Bloomberg doesn't control facebook 2) Bloomberg ran as a democrat Imagine a world where you get your news from Fox News and then go to a conservative controlled facebook. He would be unstoppable.

Zuckerberg couldn't run as anything but a democrat either. Cambridge Analytica and the like ensured that, but his beliefs (as far as he has shown any) are leaning democrat with libertarian tendencies at best. His lack of moral spine is compatible with both parties (not equating said parties to be clear).

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by Avicebron » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

realbarack wrote: post #29

misiti3780 wrote: post #5

Does anyone really believe he could be elected president someday? (mentioned in the article)

Zuck could 100% be elected president someday. It certainly seems more plausible than I would have said about Trump in say ~2012. - The US worships rich and successful businessmen in general. - Facebook is the most powerful media empire the world has ever know. It could easily mobilize to support a Zuck campaign. - His charisma and current reputation are obviously votes against him but reputation is malleable (see pre…

Yeah, let's start by not worshiping rich businessmen.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by keith__talent » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #16

misiti3780 wrote: post #5

Does anyone really believe he could be elected president someday? (mentioned in the article)

He could be the first Prime Minister of ROCOW, the Republic of California, Oregon and Washington, colloquially known as Yugofaangia.

I feel State of Jefferson wouldn't have anything to with him.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by realbarack » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

Avicebron wrote: post #42

realbarack wrote: post #29

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Zuck could 100% be elected president someday. It certainly seems more plausible than I would have said about Trump in say ~2012. - The US worships rich and successful businessmen in general. - Facebook is the most powerful media empire the world has ever know. It could easily mobilize to support a Zuck campaign. - His charisma and current reputation are obviously votes against him but reputation is malleable (see pre…

Yeah, let's start by not worshiping rich businessmen.

I agree. Note that I don't want this to happen, but I don't share the GP's confidence that it's impossible.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by Alex3917 » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:52 PM UTC

freewilly1040 wrote: post #30

smacktoward wrote: post #9

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When you're rich enough, you quickly get surrounded by people who are happy to agree with any damn fool notion you come up with.

As Mike Bloomberg can attest to, this is not enough to be a presidential contender.

Bloomberg's basic problem is that people in Iowa hate his personality. Had he actually put in the work, being a billionaire may well have been enough if not for having a major disqualifier like that.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by olcor » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #36

freewilly1040 wrote: post #30

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As Mike Bloomberg can attest to, this is not enough to be a presidential contender.

He and Schulz winged it and treated it like a jock treats finals. “I’ll pull an all-nighter and I’ll get an A”. Nope like most people who don’t show up for class and do an all-nighter, they got a D- and failed.

I wouldn’t completely agree with that. From most sources, Bloomberg wanted to run even in 2016, and did a lot of work on that front, till the end when he somehow changed tack to “not split the vote”.

While he did officially make a late entry in the race, started throwing a lot of money and research power quite early. It just so happened that the American public looks at more factors than just a lot of money.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by setpatchaddress » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

youeseh wrote: post #17

ginko wrote: post #8

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Zuckerberg has the charisma of a fish though.

Charisma can be learned.

`[citation needed]`

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by setpatchaddress » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #35

ardy42 wrote: post #19

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> Charisma can be learned. Did Hillary Clinton learn it? Of all the people in the world, she's probably the one who had the most incentive and motivation to "learn" charisma, if it was possible.

I always got the impression from her public persona that she thought she didn't need charisma, that she had "earned it", and that the power she had accrued over the years should be enough to deliver the victory to her.

Anecdotally, this is one reason Bernie did better than expected in the 2016 primaries.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by pstuart » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #28

pstuart wrote: post #20

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Trump's unique characteristics were antithetical to the role of POTUS. Now cult leader, on the other hand...

The only thing about Trump that is antithetical to the role of POTUS, at least in the coastal elite / media sense, is that he ran as a Republican.

You see, this is why discussing politics here gets a bad rap. You are operating in a partisan manner and effectively trolling now.

If you were actually interested in dialog, I would go to the effort of gathering evidence of members of the GOP trashing him before he attained power, as well as multiple prominent republicans who today are aghast at what he's done and is continuing to do.

I'm against political parties (Washington warned us way back when), and I associate with the party that you clearly don't belong to. My association is made under duress, in that I have to pick one in order for my voice to be heard.

I can have civil and adult conversations about the merits and failures of both parties and of individuals within them.

I'm guessing that might be a challenge for you so I won't bother trying. Let me know otherwise.

Re: Bland God: Notes on Mark Zuckerberg (2018)

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 03, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

olcor wrote: post #46

mc32 wrote: post #36

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He and Schulz winged it and treated it like a jock treats finals. “I’ll pull an all-nighter and I’ll get an A”. Nope like most people who don’t show up for class and do an all-nighter, they got a D- and failed.

I wouldn’t completely agree with that. From most sources, Bloomberg wanted to run even in 2016, and did a lot of work on that front, till the end when he somehow changed tack to “not split the vote”. While he did officially make a late entry in the race, started throwing a lot of money and research power quite early. It just so happened that the American public looks at more factors than just a lot of money.

To me they both seemed woefully underprepared and at a loss for answers when the spotlight was put on them during debates.

I guess executives delegate a lot , so much that on their own they might feel exposed and unprepared because there is no one to assist, at least when thrust into unfamiliar ground.