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Re: Fuchsia overview

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Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Flutter, Dart, messaging, etc. They need to just fix Android.

Ah, the HN hivemind Markov chain is mired in another infinite cycle. https://hncynic.leod.org/

For those of you who find the 'misconceptions' of the phrase 'Mobi', this makes me very glad you aren't just an old friend.

It really should be noted that this was published in 2005.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Animats didn't claim they were ever open. His claim was more along the lines of: Google Play Services has over time subsumed more and more of core functionality, enough to stop the creation of clones. Which is true.

Once upon a time, Android had a mail client that was part of the open source components. There was also GMail app that was closed source. Then a couple of versions later, the open source email app was discontinued and its functionality was incorporated into GMail. And the same thing has happened to many more apps and functionalities.

Part of that has more to do with the fact that AOSP is not used nearly as much and updating the default AOSP apps is not a good use of time for Google. The AOSP browser was never [edit: not recently] competitive with Chrome and the AOSP mail app was never [edit: not recently] competitive with Gmail.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Flutter, Dart, messaging, etc. They need to just fix Android.

Ah, the HN hivemind Markov chain is mired in another infinite cycle. https://hncynic.leod.org/

That's great, my other three comments were generated from your comment. This is hilarious.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Flutter, Dart, messaging, etc. They need to just fix Android.

Google makes a lot of its own infrastructure for its data centers. I would not be surprised if fuchsia was already in use there. It would make sense at least securitywise.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Flutter, Dart, messaging, etc. They need to just fix Android.

Flutter/Dart aren't being abandoned. They're healthy.

Also Google needs to move away from the Java ecosystem thanks to Oracle v. Google. That means dumping Android, which was built on Java entirely. Creating a new OS based on their language would seem to be in their best interests.

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Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Flutter, Dart, messaging, etc. They need to just fix Android.

> Another Google project that will end up being abandoned. Do you have any sort of evidence for this statement or is this pure speculation?

Google's track record is evidence, albeit not a guarantee.

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I have a strong feeling that Fuchsia will not be abandoned. I can't put my finger on it, but Google's approach and tone around Fuchsia feels really different from how they talked about / marketed Reader, or even Wave, or other things they shut down. I'm an Android developer learning Flutter and Dart out of both curiosity and an gamble that it will likely be a faster-improving way to make cross-platform apps than othe…

...or Google+ Oh, wait

Google+ was screwed out of the gate. It was invite-only, which did not work for Google+ or Wave nearly as well as it did for Gmail (logically). It also helps that Fuchsia is open-source and sees very active development.

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Sounds a bit like a modern, open approach to the problems that were solved by QNX. Excited to see how it evolves!

Not really open. If you submit code, you grant a license to Google to use it in non-proprietary code.[1] So, at some point, once users and developers are locked in, Google can make later versions closed and proprietary enough to stop clones. Like they did to Android with Google Play Services. [1] https://cla.developers.google.com/about/google-individual

agree on the issue but I don't think that Play Services is a great exemple.

It has always been closed source and can be replaced in any AOSP build. Google has no obligation to provide open sources apps and services on top of AOSP.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once upon a time, Android had a mail client that was part of the open source components. There was also GMail app that was closed source. Then a couple of versions later, the open source email app was discontinued and its functionality was incorporated into GMail. And the same thing has happened to many more apps and functionalities.

Part of that has more to do with the fact that AOSP is not used nearly as much and updating the default AOSP apps is not a good use of time for Google. The AOSP browser was never [edit: not recently] competitive with Chrome and the AOSP mail app was never [edit: not recently] competitive with Gmail.

Yes if no one puts time into updating the default AOSP apps then they will stop being competitive. That seems like a tautology.

Re: Fuchsia overview

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>Fuchsia aims to provide drivers with a binary-stable interface. In the future, drivers compiled for one version of Fuchsia will continue to work in future versions of Fuchsia without needing to be modified or even recompiled. This approach means that Fuchsia devices will be able to update to newer versions of Fuchsia seamlessly while keeping their existing drivers. This is a massive step back for open source. The fa…

> For various reasons, but nothing fundamental.

"Hardware vendors being unwilling to make the drivers they write open source" is a pretty fundamental reason.

Which is worse, a phone where you can't update kernel because of the closed drivers or a phone where you can update the kernel, with closed drivers? I don't think that realistically there's a third option. The open source community is not, for example, going to make their own high performance gpus.

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