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Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by MiroF »

Fezzik wrote: post #29
interestica wrote: post #16

"When AIDS was funny" https://youtu.be/yAzDn7tE1lU It shows the challenges of the press to have serious conversations about the disease with the Reagan administration.

Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems…

> Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today?

Yes, the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead is "much different" from jokes about oral herpes on SNL.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

tacheiordache wrote: post #18
etrabroline wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Regan administration had two options. The first was to spend billions of dollars hoping to find a cure while certain behaviors continued to spread the virus. (what these activists wanted) The second option was to reduce the occurrence of those behaviors, namely intravenous recreational drug use, and unprotected sex with large numbers of sexual partners, which is particularly widespread among homosexual males. The…

The bathouse behaviour is still present. I went to a korean spa in nyc with my kids and ran into a group of young men having an orgy in one of the spas which is not private. I was so embarassed, didnt know what to say to my kids, they saw a live scene. We never talked about it. So, some of that stuborness in behaviour is something rampant in the gay community. They have for example, drug fueled parties and have conti…

Thank you for being tolerant.

I extend the same tolerance to you even though one time I saw a homeless man having sex with a homeless woman on a public riverbank. I try very hard every day to not assume everyone is homeless. Kind of my way of keeping a chipper attitude for the sake of the kids.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by drewbug01 »

Scaevolus wrote: post #28
drewbug01 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The first was to spend billions of dollars hoping to find a cure while certain behaviors continued to spread the virus. And yet here we are, with governments spending billions of dollars to find a cure when we can stop the spread of COVID-19 by reducing certain behaviors. The difference in government response to the (ongoing, btw) AIDS crisis and COVID-19 has a hell of a lot to do with the fact that COVID-19 is not…

Transmission rates vary widely by sex act. 2/3 of transmissions in the US are between homosexual men. It's not homophobia to observe that some populations are at more risk from HIV.

You’re right. But the homophobia isn’t in the statistics (which the commenter didn’t provide, anyways). The homophobia was in the comments about “destructive lifestyles” and stating that it was because of rampant sexual partners.

As I stated, you only have to have sex once (and I don’t believe that statement is controversial) to contract HIV.

Please examine your own biases, because if your takeaway from the comment that I was addressing was “what, it’s true that gay guys are more likely to get it” then it would seem that you take the comment to readily describe “gays” writ large, which is also pretty homophobic.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by School-Cotton »

Fezzik wrote: post #29
interestica wrote: post #16

"When AIDS was funny" https://youtu.be/yAzDn7tE1lU It shows the challenges of the press to have serious conversations about the disease with the Reagan administration.

Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems…

“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by drewbug01 »

mgkimsal wrote: post #36
drewbug01 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had the option to downvote, because thinly veiled homophobia is really a disgusting thing to see on a supposedly enlightened site. As if straight people don’t sleep around and have drug-fueled sex parties. And my god, swingers were and are a thing - as if gay men have a monopoly on getting laid. The behavior is not rampant in the gay community; “they” do not have drug-fueled sex parties and fuck for days; th…

> seriously, it’s straight outta the 70s I felt like I was re-hearing a church youth pastor sermon from 1985 reading the parent comment.

If you grew up in the church I did, you could have the pleasure of hearing those comments as recently as ... checks calendar at least 2006! (I left after so who knows if they kept that line of rhetoric going).

It’s surprisingly common to hear this stuff today, still.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by MiroF »

drewbug01 wrote: post #26
tacheiordache wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bathouse behaviour is still present. I went to a korean spa in nyc with my kids and ran into a group of young men having an orgy in one of the spas which is not private. I was so embarassed, didnt know what to say to my kids, they saw a live scene. We never talked about it. So, some of that stuborness in behaviour is something rampant in the gay community. They have for example, drug fueled parties and have conti…

I wish I had the option to downvote, because thinly veiled homophobia is really a disgusting thing to see on a supposedly enlightened site. As if straight people don’t sleep around and have drug-fueled sex parties. And my god, swingers were and are a thing - as if gay men have a monopoly on getting laid. The behavior is not rampant in the gay community; “they” do not have drug-fueled sex parties and fuck for days; th…

I am shocked reading some of the replies in this thread.

The average commentator here definitely tries to hide their socially regressive views behind some ideal of being "rational", but even then I truly thought that commentators here were above this.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by _pd19 »

scythe wrote: post #21
etrabroline wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Regan administration had two options. The first was to spend billions of dollars hoping to find a cure while certain behaviors continued to spread the virus. (what these activists wanted) The second option was to reduce the occurrence of those behaviors, namely intravenous recreational drug use, and unprotected sex with large numbers of sexual partners, which is particularly widespread among homosexual males. The…

>The second option was to reduce the occurrence of those behaviors, namely intravenous recreational drug use The Reagan administration banned needle exchanges: https://www.csis.org/blogs/smart-global-health/history-ban-f... >, and unprotected sex with large numbers of sexual partners, which is particularly widespread among homosexual males. The continuing pathologization of homosexuals reduced their access to medical…

Conservatives continue to ban needle exchanges in some of the areas with the highest rates of HIV in the US.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by fencepost »

gumby wrote: post #15
djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

You know how public restrooms in the USA always have paper toilet seat covers? This dates to that era (the product existed already but was extremely uncommon). Because of that whenever I see those I think of the bigoted attitude that lead to their deployment and won't use them.

Really? I'd think they'd be more likely for things like herpes, staph and maybe fungal diseases.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by drewbug01 »

gumby wrote: post #15
djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

You know how public restrooms in the USA always have paper toilet seat covers? This dates to that era (the product existed already but was extremely uncommon). Because of that whenever I see those I think of the bigoted attitude that lead to their deployment and won't use them.

I respect your commitment to fighting bigotry, but I mean - those toilets can be pretty nasty. May as well use them, now that we have them. :)

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by inappropriately »

drewbug01 wrote: post #26
tacheiordache wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bathouse behaviour is still present. I went to a korean spa in nyc with my kids and ran into a group of young men having an orgy in one of the spas which is not private. I was so embarassed, didnt know what to say to my kids, they saw a live scene. We never talked about it. So, some of that stuborness in behaviour is something rampant in the gay community. They have for example, drug fueled parties and have conti…

I wish I had the option to downvote, because thinly veiled homophobia is really a disgusting thing to see on a supposedly enlightened site. As if straight people don’t sleep around and have drug-fueled sex parties. And my god, swingers were and are a thing - as if gay men have a monopoly on getting laid. The behavior is not rampant in the gay community; “they” do not have drug-fueled sex parties and fuck for days; th…

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