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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AP reported that figure as well in the linked article.

That can't possibly be right, can it?

I haven't heard anything about 1000 mSv at all. I've been watching/listening to: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

#42
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I'm having a hard time reconciling patio11's article with more recent reports of people walking 60km to get home, all food being gone from all stores, people living in Apple stores, and the government ordering a 30km evacuation zone around nuclear power plants. Maybe his point was "it could have been a lot worse", but I read it more like "everything went as planned and life went on without missing more than a few bea…

You can't reconcile it because they are two different things. I read it a couple days ago but I believe the points you refer to were all centered in Tokyo. I was in Tokyo for this past weekend and the metro was shut down Friday afternoon which made it extremely difficult, and in some cases impossible, for people to get home after work. In Tokyo and the rest of Japan outside of the affected area, yes life has gone on with just some minor interruptions. That definitely isn't the case for those in the disaster area.

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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post #17

I'm having a hard time reconciling patio11's article with more recent reports of people walking 60km to get home, all food being gone from all stores, people living in Apple stores, and the government ordering a 30km evacuation zone around nuclear power plants. Maybe his point was "it could have been a lot worse", but I read it more like "everything went as planned and life went on without missing more than a few bea…

Please read patio11's article again!

The nuclear power plant is 160mi from Tokyo. You'd think that there's some difference in the conditions across that distance?

When the 2004 tsunami happened in South India, a town on the coast would be devastated, while a village 2km inland would be completely unaffected.

From this Google Maps link to driving between http://bit.ly/g4hfPm Tokyo & Okuma you can see that the road runs along the coast and might have been hit by the Tsunami, causing lack of supplies.

So most likely explanation

1. On the coast, esp. in the Miyagi province, a lot of things are screwed. It could have been much worse if there was not the Japanese emergency training/response.

2. 5km inside the coast-line, there will be earthquake damage, no tsunami damage, and life will be near normal by now.

[edited for grammar/formatting]

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

#45

Apparently they've been ordered back 2 minutes ago. http://roound.com/redalert

This link that you posted seems to be sending a lot of misinformation, though the "return to work" part is correct. Radiation levels in Tokyo are near-normal as far as I can see on the online counters.

I'm collecting the factual links that do not contain the hysteria, on a post on my blog. No, there is no adsense on that blog.

http://bnpcs.blogspot.com/2011/03/links-about-situation-in-j...

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

#46
post #17

I'm having a hard time reconciling patio11's article with more recent reports of people walking 60km to get home, all food being gone from all stores, people living in Apple stores, and the government ordering a 30km evacuation zone around nuclear power plants. Maybe his point was "it could have been a lot worse", but I read it more like "everything went as planned and life went on without missing more than a few bea…

I am located in Hashimoto, Kanagawa (search for 神奈川県相模原市橋本 in Google Maps if you want to see where this is) and may be able to provide some insight.

Japan is a relatively small country, but the current atmosphere is considerably different in different locations. My experience near Tokyo has been quite interesting, but it is nothing compared to the disaster that has unfolded north of here. For those close to the big earthquake and tsunami, life has been completely changed if they are lucky enough that it was not ended.

Life is nowhere near back to normal where I live. It is surreal: with trains stopped and few cars on the road, the neighborhood has become very quiet, with the exception of public announcements through loudspeakers and "incoming quake" alerts through mobile phones. The rolling blackouts are likely a significant factor of the atmosphere. Some train lines in my area were stopped completely while others are only stopped when the power is out. The queues of people for trains have been very long, so it is difficult to commute. As a result, most stores in my area are completely closed. Some stores open when electricity is on, but many shelves are empty of goods that are in demand. Other stores have special security to allow small groups of shoppers (at a time) through a fence into the entranceway in order to purchase in-demand goods, while entrance to the actual store is blocked. Most apartments require power to pump water, so our water goes out as well when the power is off. With strong earthquakes continuing to roll in and blackouts scheduled for some time, I do not know how long it will take for things to return to normal here.

I do not have direct experience of what it is like where patio11 is at, but without the rolling blackouts, I am sure that the atmosphere is very different.

I have more that I would like to say, but this comment is long enough already, and my power is scheduled to turn off in five minutes.

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

#47
post #45

Apparently they've been ordered back 2 minutes ago. http://roound.com/redalert

This link that you posted seems to be sending a lot of misinformation, though the "return to work" part is correct. Radiation levels in Tokyo are near-normal as far as I can see on the online counters. I'm collecting the factual links that do not contain the hysteria, on a post on my blog. No, there is no adsense on that blog. http://bnpcs.blogspot.com/2011/03/links-about-situation-in-j...

It's quite possible, I have no idea who's updating it, and NHK TV isn't confirming it (yet?).

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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the ny times has a pretty amazing article now about the 50 remaining workers trying to avert nuclear disaster in Japan. apparently they are back at work now after radiation levels dropped:

http://t.co/7H

also, reuters has a very good real time blog, I think it's best source of up to date, level headed info. They curate commentary from other into their stream, and have experts, such as nuclear expert do live Q and A in the stream.

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

#49
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That can't possibly be right, can it?

It would certainly explain the evacuation. Edano said "1,000 milli-Sieverts" had been measured last night, but that it was down to under 800 now, and that at the gate the measurements were now in the milli- range as well (hence the evacuation). TEPCO is not exactly being forthcoming about Dai-ichi, but they're being really proactive in telling us the same exact thing about Daini every hour: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/…

Actually the BBC does seem wrong in that it is reporting 1000 millisieverts rather than microsieverts.

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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Nikkei and CNN both reported that 50 employees stayed behind out of 800, with CNN quoting someone as saying that they should be considered heroes for doing so (couldn't agree more). If you click CNN's "breaking" on this topic, the article actually still says that. This is certainly a much more serious development. Edit: Anderson Cooper called this "hard to believe" on-air, and he's being careful about how to word it.…

That was yesterdays news. Those ~50 remaining all evacuated apparently. Also, the Wikipedia "Timeline of Fukushima nuclear accidents" has been reliable for the latest updates - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nucle...

As a total aside, I find it interesting that Wikipedia, which 5 years ago would never be considered a reliable source for a developing event such as this, is now (rightly) considered a good place to go to for up to the hour information.
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