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Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

Russian intelligence was also able to counterfeit an app used by Ukrainian artillery forces to track them: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2016/12/22/russia-u...

Non-amp link: https://fortune.com/2016/12/22/russia-ukraine-app/

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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This reminds me of this rumour about how someone used tinder to triangulate opponent units during an exercise and arty them to shit. Supposedly Finns outwitting Norwegians, but is a anon text so who knows: https://imgur.com/gallery/bySUH

Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

Went looking for citations:

https://www.ausa.org/articles/russia-gives-lessons-electroni...

https://mwi.usma.edu/text-messages-hell-restraint-informatio...

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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A bit of context for non-Norwegians: The government owned media NRK bought location data from Tamoco worth approximately 3,400 USD. The NRK subsidiary NRKbeta has "connected the dots" from that data set. In this article they present how they could track down military personnel visiting restricted military sites in Norway, including the disputed radar installation in Vardø, close to the Russian border.

This reminds me of this rumour about how someone used tinder to triangulate opponent units during an exercise and arty them to shit. Supposedly Finns outwitting Norwegians, but is a anon text so who knows: https://imgur.com/gallery/bySUH

There have been alot of stories about stuff like this. One of the public ones I remember was if you were looking for US forces in unusual places, you'd find their running paths on Strava.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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A bit of context for non-Norwegians: The government owned media NRK bought location data from Tamoco worth approximately 3,400 USD. The NRK subsidiary NRKbeta has "connected the dots" from that data set. In this article they present how they could track down military personnel visiting restricted military sites in Norway, including the disputed radar installation in Vardø, close to the Russian border.

It is surprising that this is not illegal. It should be illegal under GDPR as sufficient anonymized data should not allow you to connect the dots to do anything like tracking military personnel. Transporting sensitive military information over the Norwegian border sounds also very illegal under Norwegian law.

Back when Wikileaks released the Afghan War Diary, I wonder what would have happened if rather than a whistleblowers we would have people buying data collected from soldiers smartphones in order to reconstruct the material. It should be pretty easy to identify colaborators by which smartphone gets into contact with someones else smartphone thus reconstruct who is working with who.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

This is sinister genius. Do you have a citation link? I’d love to read more.

That same "sinister genius" has and is still playing out in our elections right now.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of this rumour about how someone used tinder to triangulate opponent units during an exercise and arty them to shit. Supposedly Finns outwitting Norwegians, but is a anon text so who knows: https://imgur.com/gallery/bySUH

Yeah that'd be Finns and Exercise Trident Juncture 2018

Got any details? The story is plausible, but it is also only told by a imageboard greentext as far as I can tell.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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you're essentially telling strava that the privacy area is very important to you (ie your home, work, etc) and they are probably selling that fact.

What a great signal for thieves too - this user has enough disposal income to have a fitness device, and is worried about being tracked, they must have good stuff. Presumably you could filter by average speed and only get people with expensive bikes too.

You could also tell who from the public data has a private area, how long they are in it and when they leave it. You could do graph analysis to find folks on 20k bikes (correlate by zipcode) traveling at > 20mph with other folks that also have privacy areas.

If you find that > 3 of folks in that clique are close together and somewhere else, probably having a group event, many of them may not be in their "privacy area".

Anything that collects your location data is a shtshow when it comes to operational security. Even having one friend with poor GNSS hygiene can expose an entire network of relationships.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sinister genius. Do you have a citation link? I’d love to read more.

That same "sinister genius" has and is still playing out in our elections right now.

Are Macedonians still putting out a tiny number of low quality Facebook ads?
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