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AT&T will cap DSL and U-Verse internet, impose overage fees

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It's funny, that's exactly what people said about binaries on Usenet.

Are you suggesting that average bandwidth usage isn't going to increase?

Caps will move, rates will move, usage will move, prices will move. I'm not sure what your point is. I'm saying (or, strongly implying) that virtually the only people who will be hit with this cap today are the ones using BitTorrent.

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What is something legitimate that you can do with 250GB in a month (that's 83 HD movie downloads), and, when you identify it, can you also tell me why the 98% of people who pay for U-Verse should have to pay for that level of service, which they will never come close to using/ There is no such thing as a free lunch. Either the top 2% pay a noticeable premium, or everybody pays a less noticeable premium. AT&T is not a…

> can you also tell me why the 98% of people who pay for U-Verse should have to pay for that level of service, which they will never come close to using They are now effectively paying the exact same amount for a reduced level of (potential) service. Unless you're willing to speculate that this will eventually lower costs for the 98% (doubt it, are Comcast's users better off?), there is no gain for any end user in th…

In what way is their service reduced? Nobody who isn't torrenting is going to come anywhere close to this cap. It's 250 hours of streaming HD video.

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I think it's more about making things more difficult for services like Netflix and Hulu as well as extracting some extra revenue from their top users who don't have any other choice for internet service.

Bingo, especially since AT&T TV (which is all over IP and therefore is just as likely to 'clog the tubes' -- actually even more so since it has better QoS) is exempt. They are going to go kicking and screaming into the age of being a dumb pipe.

AT&T's video is significantly cheaper to provision; it's housed entirely on their own network.

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I think it's more about making things more difficult for services like Netflix and Hulu as well as extracting some extra revenue from their top users who don't have any other choice for internet service.

I think anyone that has AT&T DSL could also have Speakeasy DSL. It's just that Speakeasy costs a lot more.

It also sucks a lot more. I had Speakeasy for over 5 years; AT&T has been a dream comparatively.

Slow. Friendly-but-useless customer service. Multi-day outages.

Let's not forget, Speakeasy is just another BigCo. If you want to stand on your principles, go look up the ISPFH people in Chicago. They'll sell you a DSL line.

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I think it's more about making things more difficult for services like Netflix and Hulu as well as extracting some extra revenue from their top users who don't have any other choice for internet service.

Good point... I hadn't even considered IPTV and streaming services for some reason. It definitely looks like a move to protect revenue when people may be switching off services like U-Verse TV.

If they were trying to keep people from turning off U-V TV, why would they set a bandwidth cap that no normal TV-watching person would approach?

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Nowadays, a significant portion of those "bandwidth abusers" are people who are just watching movies and TV shows on Netflix. The use of Netflix instant streaming has grown tremendously over the past year, and for many people, it's become the exclusive source for non-live video content.

To bust a 250GB cap with NetFlix, you have to watch 250 hours of exclusively HD content; 8 full hours a day, every day, nonstop.

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Our family watches a lot of Netflix. My kids will watch several movies or shows throughout the day, my wife watches her shows, and we might throw a movie on in the evening after the kids have gone to bed. If the average size of a 2 hour movie on Netflix is 1.8GB (source: http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/200...) and if we watch on average move than 2.7 movies a day, then we will almost definitely hit our 150GB limit every month. Especially considering that we use the internet for a lot of other stuff too, like video chatting with out of town family members, work related file transfers, offsite backups, etc.

We don't use bittorrent, we don't download music illegally, but we will most definitely be dropping AT&T for a different service, as soon as we find one that won't cap our usage (since Comcast is the only cable provider available in our area).

This is crap.

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Nowadays, a significant portion of those "bandwidth abusers" are people who are just watching movies and TV shows on Netflix. The use of Netflix instant streaming has grown tremendously over the past year, and for many people, it's become the exclusive source for non-live video content.

To bust a 250GB cap with NetFlix, you have to watch 250 hours of exclusively HD content; 8 full hours a day, every day, nonstop.

Thanks, I wasn't aware that their HD bandwidth requirements were as modest as 2.6-3.8 Mb/s, from both a more effective codec and limiting fidelity to 720p30 stereo.

http://blog.netflix.com/2008/11/encoding-for-streaming.html

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