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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by jraby3 »

roenxi wrote: post #34

I doubt this will be my most popular comment on HN but Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China. I know the Obama administration made some noises but I don't recall them actually inconveniencing China in a serious way. To me this is all naked geopolitics, hardly f…

I agree 100%. Trump has done a ton of terrible things, but he deserves credit for his stance on China.

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Post by gpm »

logicchains wrote: post #40
gpm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place. Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China becaus…

A country of Canadian laws, not American laws.

Indeed, and Canadian laws say that we should arrest her and probably extradite her to the US subject to the outcome of some hearings.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by adventured »

mempko wrote: post #15
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #11

This after previous indictments of Huawei for RICO violations and theft of trade secrets from USA companies T-Mobile, Qualcomm, and Cisco. Including theft of 5G technology that is now being used in equipment sold to EU countries. [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-co... [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-de... Whatever happened to arresting Huawei’s Chief Financia…

There are a couple of points a) The deal china made with US companies is bring us your technology and we will manufacture for you cheaply. b) Giving technology as part of a deal and then retroactively calling it stealing is, well, strange. c) America because what it was because it "stole" technology from Europe during the industrial revolution. American companies understood what they were getting into and what the de…

> America because what it was because it "stole" technology from Europe during the industrial revolution.

A falsehood. The US was one of the primary innovators during the industrial revolution, along with Germany, Britain and France. In the oil/mining, steel, railroad/transport, electricity, building, manufacturing, automobile, farming and communication segments the US held its own when it came to invention in the 1870-1930 era. It doesn't take very long to canvas the major industrial segments and point to various large US contributions.

The recent claim that the US stole all of its industrial revolution era technology, is an empty defamation that you mostly only see on sites like Reddit as a propaganda angle, and it's always unsupported in argument.

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Post by krapp »

roenxi wrote: post #34

I doubt this will be my most popular comment on HN but Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China. I know the Obama administration made some noises but I don't recall them actually inconveniencing China in a serious way. To me this is all naked geopolitics, hardly f…

>Trump really has to be congratulated for being the first President to actually do something about the growth in strategic strength of the absolutely terrifying regime that currently controls China

He might deserve congratulations if his strategies made sense, but they seem more likely to hurt the US than China in the long run.

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Post by draw_down »

predictmktegirl wrote: post #36

I think we should all keep something in mind before we go celebrate the end of globalization. If we go on a rampage pulling manufacturing and capital out of China while simultaneously blaming them for the pandemic, in a few years we’ll end up seeing a nation with a shattered economy, a pissed off populace, and the largest and most well supplied army on Earth. Rhetoric tends to devolve into a limited decision matrix w…

Who is “we”? I don’t make any decisions about where any factories operate.

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Post by Mindwipe »

isatty wrote: post #26
shmel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might feel different depending where you live. If one lives in Europe, I don't see why US or Chinese spying should be perceived differently.

Maybe because there are human rights in the US?

America's human rights laws don't apply to non-US citizens outside of the US's landmass.

America has been exceptionally clear that US intelligence and immigration agencies consider non-Americans to be fair game for hacking, non-judicial imprisonment, torture et al.

So if I'm not American I might acknowledge that America treats it's own citizens slightly better than China treats theirs from a human rights perspective, but as someone who's British neither nation has a stellar track record of actions that effect me and my country personally or give me any rights protection.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

Icathian wrote: post #39
mempko wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a couple of points a) The deal china made with US companies is bring us your technology and we will manufacture for you cheaply. b) Giving technology as part of a deal and then retroactively calling it stealing is, well, strange. c) America because what it was because it "stole" technology from Europe during the industrial revolution. American companies understood what they were getting into and what the de…

You seem to be under the rather odd impression that all of the limitations you agree to when you enter into contract with another entity are supposed to be ignored. Just because you're doing business with someone who has a reputation of breaching faith doesn't mean it's appropriate that they do so, and you certainly don't have to like them for it.

China actually ranks high in adherence to contracts. It’s what’s not in the contracts that creates problems. The issues are a bit more nuanced. Harris Bricken is a law firm with a great blog on related legal topics.

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Post by rndgermandude »

adventured wrote: post #7
geogra4 wrote: post #5

How many foreign companies actually use US Chipmaking equipment? Will this stop european chipmakers like ASML from selling to china too?

> How many foreign companies actually use US Chipmaking equipment? In the semi industry, nearly all of them. You can hardly make anything in the semiconductor industry without using several of the major US companies. The US still dominates the semiconductor equipment industry. Of the six major players, half of them are US companies. > The $412bn global semiconductor industry rests on the shoulders of just six equipme…

After this move by the US, it wouldn't surprise me if there soon were 7-9 instead of 6 such companies, and the new entries were Chinese/China-friendly.

China has both, money and leverage (not just political, rare earths, etc), to throw at this problem, and from China's perspective it should be a strategic priority to get this done. It would in fact surprise me if there weren't such projects already in full drive since May 2019 when this all started.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

gpm wrote: post #35
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty difficult to take the accusations of theft of 5G technology seriously, when Huawei is far ahead of its competitors and has massively outspent them on R&D for 5G. > Was she ever extradited from Canada after being captured in Vancouver, BC? No, it's still a giant political mess. The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada…

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place. Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China becaus…

> Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect.

I'm basing this on the government's paralysis in this case.

> We're a country of laws.

Canada's system of laws is being abused by the Trump administration, which has made no secret of its desire to use Meng Wanzhou as a bargaining chip in the trade war. Allowing the Canadian extradition treaty with the US to be abused for political ends was not wise. There were smarter ways to deal with the request. Hong Kong's reaction to the US extradition request for Snowden (please resubmit the paperwork while we let him fly out of our jurisdiction) would have been a good model to follow.

> We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China because they're big, mean, and scary.

The possible US reaction to not extraditing Meng Wanzhou would be just as - if not more - scary. Canada is extremely dependent on trade with the US. That's why the government arrested Meng Wanzhou, and why it is finding it so difficult to acknowledge the obvious: that this is a politically motivated prosecution that does not fall under the terms of the extradition treaty.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by spangry »

predictmktegirl wrote: post #36

I think we should all keep something in mind before we go celebrate the end of globalization. If we go on a rampage pulling manufacturing and capital out of China while simultaneously blaming them for the pandemic, in a few years we’ll end up seeing a nation with a shattered economy, a pissed off populace, and the largest and most well supplied army on Earth. Rhetoric tends to devolve into a limited decision matrix w…

On the other hand, it's difficult to be diplomatic when one side is so belligerent, sensitive and petty. China has started imposing trade sanctions on my country (Australia) because our Prime Minister had the audacity to suggest there should be an independent inquiry into the origin of COVID-19. Meanwhile, they see fit to interfere in our domestic and political affairs through various front organisations, bribery and even directly through their embassy and ambassador in Australia.

People are fast growing tired of China's aggressive and abusive approach to 'diplomacy'.

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