SEND THEM ALL BACK.
They write shit code. They lie about their skills. Their resumes are full of lies. Always.
We spend no less than 60% of our day rewriting their shit.
They do the minimum, only code "the happy path"
Fuckers are killing the industry.
Besides they're just slaves to their employers in the USA. Not a good thing for them either.
U.S. Senators Advocate H-1B Freeze for 60 Days or Longer
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some, but not all, H1B immigrants are highly skilled. Some are fodder for body shops, some are used to avoid having to pay market rate. This behavior has been documented in great detail. I do not believe it unreasonable to take measures to encourage hiring of citizens over importing workers when official unemployment is near 15%, and unofficially, closer to 20%. Your typical tech company is likely to be sophisticated…
What is tech unemployment? Still in the single digits?
Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country.
It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some, but not all, H1B immigrants are highly skilled. Some are fodder for body shops, some are used to avoid having to pay market rate. This behavior has been documented in great detail. I do not believe it unreasonable to take measures to encourage hiring of citizens over importing workers when official unemployment is near 15%, and unofficially, closer to 20%. Your typical tech company is likely to be sophisticated…
Then change the rules to make it more difficult for the body shops maybe? Doesn't seem too hard
Lots of large American businesses are contracted to those companies, and have interests in preserving their contracted rates.
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#44I thought H-1B was for when one was unable to source enough skilled people locally? If so, it should kinda be self-adjusting if more high skilled people are unemployed, right?
That's its stated purpose, which is why you see it mostly used for software and science positions.
However, it's been "abused" by large consulting/contracting companies who hire an army of immigrant labor at the low end of market wages. The H1B recipient can't do much about it - they're tied to the employer (and their spouse can't work unless they also get an H1B). Yes, they can move jobs, but it takes legal resources to get the visa moved/re-issued (not sure about the technical details).
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#45Of course, doing so will do very little to nothing for American workers. Companies who want the top talent will go where the top talent lives, and this may just speed up the process (one example could be a simple adjustment to hire more folks in Vancouver, for example). Somehow, some people in the US forget that yesterday's immigrant is today's citizen.
> Somehow, some people in the US forget that yesterday's immigrant is today's citizen.
Playing devil's advocate here, because I myself went through the H1B -> GC -> citizenship path, but why would the US worker care if he can't get a job/fair pay because of today's immigrant? And this is not immigrants (not technically correct when applied to H1B btw) fault. The problem is how game-able this all process/legislation is.
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#46I thought H-1B was for when one was unable to source enough skilled people locally? If so, it should kinda be self-adjusting if more high skilled people are unemployed, right?
Us issues around 500k green cards a year. 85k h1bs are a drop in a bucket compared to that.
There are over 1M Indians stuck on gc backlog because of the racist gc caps. Various groups such as cis, fair etc. Want them out and hence these backdoor l Also not even sure what
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is tech unemployment? Still in the single digits?
Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".
So Buy local, not buy the best? Not advocating either way honestly, but is local more important if the H1B candidate is markedly better?
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#48Of course, doing so will do very little to nothing for American workers. Companies who want the top talent will go where the top talent lives, and this may just speed up the process (one example could be a simple adjustment to hire more folks in Vancouver, for example). Somehow, some people in the US forget that yesterday's immigrant is today's citizen.
I was wondering the same thing; can't U.S. based companies just hire outside the country? Offices today are highly distributed and virtual already.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Estimated to be 400,000 mostly in IT.
Should clarify that this is IT as in low level positions in cheap outsourcing firms. Not to confuse with tech companies. Edit: You can see visas per company here with average salary https://h1bdata.info/topcompanies.php You can make an opinion for yourself but suffice to say that the bulk of the jobs are in cheap outsourcing firms, not in tech companies. (cf. google 15k VS tata consulting 73k)
Microsoft , google and Facebook are consistently topmost recipient of h1b visas.
Re: U.S. Senators Advocate H-1B Freeze for 60 Days or Longer
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like it's still above 0, which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. It's so strange to me that this viewport is controversial, but "Buy Local" (which I have yet to encounter someone who is against supporting local businesses) is not. This is the labor version of "Buy Local".
So Buy local, not buy the best? Not advocating either way honestly, but is local more important if the H1B candidate is markedly better?
Of course, problems are complex. Important to whom? Do I care if your business gets someone who is slightly less exceptional if it means you have to hire a fellow citizen? Can you prove objectively the person you're hiring on a visa is more qualified, and that your hiring process doesn't just suck in general (even Google doesn't do hiring well, as has been shown with internal recruiters submitting hiring committee participant packets back to the committee without their knowledge, and the committee wouldn't even hire themselves)? These are important questions when setting public policy.
Clearly, my personal opinion is to prioritize local labor over you as a business optimizing your opinion of "top talent". I will trade some quality over supporting Local, and if that's a decision we make as a country, I would not be opposed and will vote for representatives who support such policy. One person's "nationalism" is another person's labor solidarity.