Flight Attendants and Covid-19 • Hacker News Board

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:05 PM UTC

checker659 wrote: post #3

> The days of carefree travel are long gone. I've been digging up videos of people from the early 1920s and I see very little impact of the Spanish Flu on people's mannerisms even just within a year or two after (like no masks in the streets even though mask wearing was apparently a big thing during the pandemic). Just the other day, I was reading up on Charlie Chaplin. Looking at his filmography, I noticed a a gap o…

> Within a year after a vaccine becomes available,

We have never successfully developed a vaccine for a coronavirus before. And even if it's proven to be feasible, it will be unlikely to be very practical (are we going to manufacture billions of doses? How long will it take? Won't there be some kind of herd immunity by then?) and there are also indicators that such vaccines would not be effective beyond 6 months or so.

The more I hear about a vaccine for this coronavirus, the less it seems like the true solution for this crisis.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by newacct583 » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:06 PM UTC

ISL wrote: post #7

The days of carefree travel will return. It'll be a while, but it will be back. In early March, looking for a park to sit quietly with my thoughts in the sunshine but away from others, I found myself in a local cemetery. Alone, but not far from a great many people. Seattle's a pretty young place on the scale of things. I was surprised to find that our local graveyard had a substantial contingent that had lived throug…

Can I just say how refreshing it is to see this perspective on HN instead of the "denialist/open-up" faction warring with the "no really this is serious" folks?

Indeed, this will pass. It's bad, we have a lot of work to do before it does. There's more suffering to come. But it's not the end of anything.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by sp332 » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:07 PM UTC

justinator wrote: post #30

ISL wrote: post #7

The days of carefree travel will return. It'll be a while, but it will be back. In early March, looking for a park to sit quietly with my thoughts in the sunshine but away from others, I found myself in a local cemetery. Alone, but not far from a great many people. Seattle's a pretty young place on the scale of things. I was surprised to find that our local graveyard had a substantial contingent that had lived throug…

> After noting, to my surprise, that there wasn't an obvious peak in the deaths in 1918 Well, you've seen photos of mass graves circa this year, right?

More detail https://gothamist.com/news/mass-burials-hart-island-increase...

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by ekianjo » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:07 PM UTC

From the same industry, a very good take from Mentour Pilot on how the crisis will turn out in terms of the economic future of airlines (with 3 different scenarios): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJR9JFdMYI

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by stormdennis » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:11 PM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #23

stormdennis wrote: post #9

It's reactionary to say it but China has to pay a price for this, otherwise what's to stop it happening again? Edit :I've been completely hammered on this topic so I won't make any more comments. Hope that's ok

I wonder what other bullshit things governments have caused due to their neglect which could be punished, in that imaginary world of yours... The Chinese government has the incentive to not let something like this happening again because they still need the queit cooperation of their population, a slow-burning dissent would still lead to their downfall...

What is imaginary about the Chinese authorities suppressing news about this virus? We already know that the (late) doctor who first exposed it was forced to sign a retraction.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by Trasmatta » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #10

Humans continuously invent their "normals". There was no "old normal" and there won't be a "new normal". Already, different countries and regions have different cultures, histories, responses and outcomes. If anything, their future societies are diverging as a result of conscious choices and actions by humans exercising creative will.

Out of all the buzzwords to come out of COVID, "new normal" is maybe my least favorite. What the hell does it even mean?

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by boromi » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

I often get sick during travel. It's really annoying. But the last two trips I got sick and I'm pretty sure it happened at the airport. So there is a positive from this in terms of travel.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by tyingq » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

"That woman by the way was traveling by herself with a dog kennel, a baby, a car seat and two carry-on bags, and yet the airport was in the wrong for not having anything or anyone ready to assist her as she deplaned"

I actually think it's reasonable that the woman expects more from the airport. They levy very high margin charges for landing, departure, parking, rent for vendors, and so on. Reasonable service seems expected. Perhaps not a pre-staged cart, but at least nearby phone (or number to text) to ask for one.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by DataWorker » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:13 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #13

umvi wrote: post #4

Since hospitals are practically empty right now, have we thought of allowing people to voluntarily get infected/quarantined (using a tiny viral load)? Obviously no old, immuno-compromised, or other vulnerable people. But for healthy "essential" workers it would mean not living in fear that they might get it... because they already got over it.

> But for healthy "essential" workers it would mean not living in fear that they might get it... because they already got over it. Coronaviruses don't tend to produce strong, long-lasting immunity, and we have no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 does, and, also, young otherwise healthy people are dying from strokes that seem to be due to the virus: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-cor... So, this woul…

Young people with thrombosi are very rare, so not high risk from that standpoint. As an individual that might be assessed high risk, but in aggregate it is not.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by codingdave » Sat, May 09, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

chdaniel wrote: post #8

umvi wrote: post #4

Since hospitals are practically empty right now, have we thought of allowing people to voluntarily get infected/quarantined (using a tiny viral load)? Obviously no old, immuno-compromised, or other vulnerable people. But for healthy "essential" workers it would mean not living in fear that they might get it... because they already got over it.

Genuine question: why are hospitals empty? Aren't people affected by covid taken there?

They aren't empty.

They are less crowded than usual because elective procedures have been cancelled in many cases, but people are still there for non-elective procedures, emergencies, births, etc. And yes, covid cases requiring a hospital are lower than predicted... but they do exist.