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Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#41

Post by knorker » Wed, May 06, 2020, 8:49 PM UTC

jszymborski wrote: post #40

knorker wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing a system and getting somewhat of an accurate understanding of how the parts work is, though. And it's not like "email" is some esoteric thing he's only now come into contact with. For example, don't say "GMail". This is about email. To misquote Babbage: "I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a conclusion". This conclusion screams of not being able to understa…

Gmail is decreasingly an email client an increasingly a protocol. Gmail-to-gmail messages get treated quite differently, and ultimately OPs conclusion that gmail intercepted their email because it determined that CVs are suspicious is correct. I would add that I think it's a bit fickle and unkind for internet strangers to pass judgement on a person's ability to do their job based on a post like this. This individual…

> This individual [...] gave (a useful) warning about how the gmail client handles CVs.

That's one way to see it. To me it was about as coherent and thought through as someone yelling and on the corner about 5G towers causing coronavirus.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#42

Post by paypalcust83 » Wed, May 06, 2020, 10:06 PM UTC

Mail it to them in a legal-sized envelope on dead tree carcasses. Harder to ignore, they'd print it anyhow for candidate finalists, and virus FUD is a non-issue. Send them an email copy as a backup or in-case they need an electronic version too.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#43

Post by paypalcust83 » Wed, May 06, 2020, 10:07 PM UTC

knorker wrote: post #19

The fact that this so called developer doesn't understand the difference between a sender and a receiver of email makes me think there are other things in the CV that caused them to not be hired.

Yup, that's a sensible conclusion. The article could be an expression of sour grapes bikeshedding.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#44

Post by victor9000 » Wed, May 06, 2020, 10:46 PM UTC

claytonjy wrote: post #8

victor9000 wrote: post #3

You can send your resume as a flat PDF to avoid this problem.

Is it really that easy? I see no mention of _how_ the author sent their materials, but a directly-generated PDF is just as easy to search as a word doc, isn't it? Does gmail explicitly only inspect the latter?

Yes, it's that easy. Print your document as an image/flat pdf and you won't run into the issues described in the article. If your text editor doesn't support flattening then export the doc as pdf, open the pdf in chrome, go to the print menu, and select "Print as image". You'll know you've done it correctly if you can't select text in the new pdf.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#45

Post by abathur » Thu, May 07, 2020, 4:39 AM UTC

jdm2212 wrote: post #24

abathur wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it doesn't sound like it has anything to do with how he sent it. I wasn't aware of a feature like this, but a quick search turned up documentation for an "email quarantines" feature in G Suite ( https://support.google.com/a/answer/6104172 ). I do get mail received over POP from another account in my spam folder, but I suspect it doesn't explain this quarantine behavior. I'm not sure if a G Suite email us…

The quarantine docs you linked make it look like this is configured per-customer, so if the author's email did in fact get quarantined, its because IT configured it that way not because of a Gmail bug. Also: > For a quarantined inbound message, the intended recipient receives no indication of the message unless you release it for delivery. So the recruiter wouldn't even see the email in their spam box. It just wouldn…

I wonder the same, yes--it's just what I found for trying to figure out what they might even mean by quarantined in the first

It wasn't super clear to me (at least, on a quick read) what the recipient would/wouldn't see if they were given permission to admin quarantined mail, if the mail eventually got released from quarantine after someone realized it wasn't crap, etc.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#46

Post by hckr_news » Thu, May 07, 2020, 4:50 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #20

This entire article is premised on an excuse from a single HR person that an email ended up in their spam folder. It is probably worth keeping in mind that "your email ended up in spam" does occasionally happen, but it is also a widely used polite white lie that people use instead of saying "I ignored your email."

Weirdly enough a recruiters follow up email after a job interview ended up in my gmail spam folder. I tend to check my spam folder once a week but I probably would have never seen it otherwise, and would have assumed I was ghosted.

Re: Never Send Your CV via Gmail

#47

Post by Fred27 » Thu, May 07, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

I recently had gmail putting my outgoing email in my own spam folder rather than sent items. When I've checked I've found that the recipient has received it but it's really odd behaviour.