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Re: Are you living in a computer simulation? [pdf]

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Searle is definitely not a materialist, but a dualist. His take on the simulation argument is that simulations cannot be built (possibility #1 in Bostrom's argment).

Searle does believe that consciousness is caused by physical processes in the brain. However he also believes in what he calls 'Biological Naturalism' whereby consciousness can only be generated by biological systems. So Searle does not agree that consciousness is a product of or a form of computation, which is where he and I part ways.

His naturalism doesn't seem coherent. If no physical system can compute incomputable functions, then it's special pleading to insist that there's a difference between natural laws and mathematical laws.

Re: Are you living in a computer simulation? [pdf]

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> In general, I don't think you can ad-hoc "fill in the details" of a particular piece of a simulation and have it make sense because you weren't simulating the inputs in that much detail. It's well documented that the human brain ignores or fills in inputs for things that mostly match its expectations. You're already ignoring vast swaths of your sensory input at this very moment by focusing on this text. A simulatio…

I admit to not having read his book and I think his argument is technically "airtight". I will grant that. But the real problem, besides me strongly believing 1 and 2 are true, is that Bostrom (or more charitably, his fans) are conflating several concepts: "a computer simulation" "a universe simulation" "an ancestor simulation in which the lived experience is indistinguishable from our current experience, which neces…

> which necessarily won't be able to simulate the entire universe nor anything at a high level of fidelity and so requires constant tricks to convince the inhabitants things are real"

No tricks. Simulating the minds is the entire point. Simulating physics isn't the interesting part of these kinds of simulations.

> I absolutely do not understand how you can just simulate minds without an environment

Each simulated mind contains a set of beliefs about the local environment. The intersection of the belief-sets of the people in close physical proximity dictates the local reality. If some belief-sets conflict, choose the set that has more believers.

Global consistency can be assured if all beliefs that survive a conflict satisfy certain conditions.

> I suppose I will have to read the book because the noise argument you are presenting seems bizarre to me.

You don't need to simulate the LHC, you only need to simulate what outputs the scientists believe the LHC should produce, ie. they expect results consistent with the statistical models of quantum mechanics. Introduce some random errors here and there as a demonstration of human fallibility (like the FTL neutrinos mistake a few years back due to a loose cable).

> No I don't think so. The number of possible "simulated objects" is infinite

The number at any given time is not. Every simulated object will have logical properties associated with it, particularly at its interface. Satisfy the logical properties of the interface, and a simulated mind wouldn't know the difference.

> Not convinced on this point either, but anyway this would conflict with reality considering a great many people already believe with certainty that they are living in a simulation.

They may believe it but they can never prove it, and so they're not actually seeing through the simulation.

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