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French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by mullingitover »

cm2187 wrote: post #26
eli wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Five times worse than the flu is “marginally” more?

Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. The odd to win the UK lotto is one in 45m, the odd of winning Euromillion is one in 140m, the UK lotto is 3 times higher! Either way you won’t win either. The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about.

> Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number.

A tiny proportion of a gigantic number is still a massive number.

Plus, most of the population has some level of immunity to the flu. Meanwhile, for coronavirus, every human being on the planet can be infected except the tiny number who have already survived it.

> The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about.

Until we have longitudinal studies showing that there's nothing to worry about in the long term, this is a reckless assumption.

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by rasz »

user5994461 wrote: post #33

The linked document from the court clarifies exactly which categories are opened for sale. It's a list of 7 exact Amazon categories. Like they appear in the search bar and the left sidebar that you use to filter items. There is really no doubt possible about what's allowed.

Amazon might be worried sellers will turn to usual tricks of reusing ASINs, somethingAmazon is really wink agains wink wink nudge

https://sellercentral-europe.amazon.com/forums/t/to-many-sel...

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by colejohnson66 »

cm2187 wrote: post #26
eli wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Five times worse than the flu is “marginally” more?

Five time a tiny number may still be a tiny number. The odd to win the UK lotto is one in 45m, the odd of winning Euromillion is one in 140m, the UK lotto is 3 times higher! Either way you won’t win either. The odd of dying from this virus for a warehouse employee worker under 40 with no serious medical condition is not something they should worry about.

It seems you’re saying death is ok because it’s a small amount. Any death is bad if it could’ve been prevented.

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by touktouk »

downerending wrote: post #40
alibert wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They extended the closure until Tuesday. But I believe the general public doesn't really notice it because orders are still being taken and delivered via, I suppose, distribution centers outside France. Friend ordered multiple things last Saturday (supposed to be closed) and he received some packages the next Thursday and today too (Saturday).

It seems rather odd that the order would not apply to things delivered from outside the country. Is this a general way to avoid regulations? (i.e., France only receives from Netherlands, and Netherlands only receives from France)

How is that odd? The issue was the safety of its French employees, and therefore the order from the French court relates to the Amazon facilities in France.

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by touktouk »

hedora wrote: post #22
Quanttek wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you able to derive from the article's summary that this is vague? Beyond that, we all know that "vagueness" was just an Amazon pretext to force France to allow them to operate unchecked, i.e. without providing the demanded protection and deliver any item.

If I order a collectors item XBox controller, is that an IT or high tech item? (Maybe I’m using it for Skype with patients) What about a kid’s “computer” toy, or a fart noise button? What about a fidget spinner? A stress relief toy for autistic kids? A fidget spinner incorrectly marketed for autistic kids? They have 10’s of millions of items, and for each one where their answer is different than the court’s, they get…

The order specifically singles out Amazon categories for products. I am not a software engineer, but something along the line of:

> if item.category is not in authorized_categories then do not sell

Does not seem too hard to do.

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by downerending »

touktouk wrote: post #44
downerending wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems rather odd that the order would not apply to things delivered from outside the country. Is this a general way to avoid regulations? (i.e., France only receives from Netherlands, and Netherlands only receives from France)

How is that odd? The issue was the safety of its French employees, and therefore the order from the French court relates to the Amazon facilities in France.

It seems odd because of the moral hazard. Basically, the court is saying, "Treat your employees as you will, just make sure they're not French.".

Is this really any less of a problem if French deliveries are packed by abused Belgian peons?

Re: French court upholds order limiting Amazon deliveries amid coronavirus risk

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Post by touktouk »

downerending wrote: post #46
touktouk wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that odd? The issue was the safety of its French employees, and therefore the order from the French court relates to the Amazon facilities in France.

It seems odd because of the moral hazard. Basically, the court is saying, "Treat your employees as you will, just make sure they're not French.". Is this really any less of a problem if French deliveries are packed by abused Belgian peons?

No, but unless the French decide that they can force others countries to follow their laws, the only choice is between [French protection laws applied in France; French protection laws not applied abroad] and [French protection laws not applied in France; French protection laws not applied abroad].
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