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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by dathinab »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

Yes, at least GDPR require it to be opt-in. Also it doesn't matter where it got the pictures from. At least as far as I know.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by annoyingnoob »

An opt-out that requires you to give them exactly what they want and requires them to keep it is crap. Its not 'opt-out' its 'make less available'.

The Ad Choices opt-out is the same thing - better not delete your cookies if you want to 'opt-out' - total BS.

Scumbag authoritarians.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by lux »

bravoetch wrote: post #12
lux wrote: post #3

No option for people outside those regions?

The current law in a few areas allows them to collect all your data, then offer you to opt-out. There's no requirement for them to not collect private data, and there's no requirement most places for them to offer you an opt-out. My question is how do we get people to stop working for places like clearview and google and facebook that all work against the public good?

You're totally right. The sky-high salaries + options + bonuses make it a hard sell to get devs to follow their values in choosing employers. I just found it telling how grudgingly this complies with the law, but you could say privacy violation is their core service so obviously they need to protect that.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by bla3 »

Given their justification for their product, I wonder what they'd think of someone crawling images on the web and sending automated opt-outs for all crawled images that contain a face...

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by xmodem »

hellcow wrote: post #2

I filled this out weeks ago... never got any response.

Which category are you in?

I just submitted an access request under the EU resident category. If I don't get a response I will consider making another request in writing.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by znfi »

Nextgrid wrote: post #30
bosie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of fb is considered a 'public source'?

If you make your profile available publicly then I'd argue it is indeed public. As far as I'm aware, Clearview doesn't have a relationship with Facebook to access non-public data and instead they just operate a web crawler storing anything that's being served without requiring auth.

IANAL but I think the GDPR does not just look at the data in isolation, but considers the data and what it is used for.

Thus if I give a company access to my data it does not give them a carte blanche to use it however they see fit, instead I have allowed usage of the data for a set of purposes.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #28
newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

I know the media attacked Facebook for that announcement, but everything I can gather suggests that it was just meant to give victims more control and didn't have any nefarious motives (unlike other 'features' offered by Facebook). https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1249202002875297792?s=...

Consider the absurdity of the request. Send us a nude so we can play a better game of whack a mole. Also, consider the mental state of the person being asked to submit such a photo.

I mean good grief.

And this is before we even get into the fact that we’re talking about Facebook.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by Nav_Panel »

salawat wrote: post #37
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based. They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of…

> the system shouldn't have been made in the first place,and the mere existence of it guarantees the capability for it to be abused

I casually know the guys who made this, and they're, well, unorthodox thinkers in terms of ethics. I highly doubt that, say, government regulations would've prevented them from building this app (although it may prevent them from using it in certain regions).

It's very hard to put neural network and image recognition tools into public hands and also prevent anyone in the world from building something like this. Such is the Pandora's Box of technology.

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