Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

sixthtone.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

41–50 of 115 posts

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#41

Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #13
baybal2 wrote: post #7

FYI, this publication, and its parent is pretty much People's Daily in disguise. It is made along the lines of Shanghai Oriental Morning Post 2.0. Without a doubt, it is an even more of a state organ media than it's spiritual predecessor, despite the mandate to push "dissenting" view. Unlike something like Southern Weekly, which had not a single party cadre in its editors, despite being overtly party ran, but closed…

I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. At -2 (and counting) for this currently, any downvoters care to comment as to why? If indeed this publication is a propaganda mouthpiece, then my surprise that they're publishing something that reflects badly on their medical providers should be easy to understand

The other interesting admission is that the first case was Jan 3 and the ward was flooded with patients by mid-January, well before the CCP finally took action and locked down Wuhan on Jan 23rd.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#42

Post by baq »

killjoywashere wrote: post #39
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?

Yes. Frankly I’m surprised the CCP influence on Reddit is not very visible.

Tik Tok scares me quite a bit more though.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#44

Post by Markoff »

baybal2 wrote: post #7

FYI, this publication, and its parent is pretty much People's Daily in disguise. It is made along the lines of Shanghai Oriental Morning Post 2.0. Without a doubt, it is an even more of a state organ media than it's spiritual predecessor, despite the mandate to push "dissenting" view. Unlike something like Southern Weekly, which had not a single party cadre in its editors, despite being overtly party ran, but closed…

wanted to write same comment, this is just CN gov publication for foreigners, which is trying to hide its origin with clever propaganda, where they add some minor critism into article, but overall praising tone stays untouched

not really that different from paid reviews in west, where you find in cons things people don't care about and they are just added to look less biased

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#45

Post by Markoff »

baq wrote: post #42
killjoywashere wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?

Yes. Frankly I’m surprised the CCP influence on Reddit is not very visible. Tik Tok scares me quite a bit more though.

not visible, been recently to r/worldnews ? everything criticisng China downvoted into oblivion if not straight deleted/banned

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#46

Post by peteretep »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #13
baybal2 wrote: post #7

FYI, this publication, and its parent is pretty much People's Daily in disguise. It is made along the lines of Shanghai Oriental Morning Post 2.0. Without a doubt, it is an even more of a state organ media than it's spiritual predecessor, despite the mandate to push "dissenting" view. Unlike something like Southern Weekly, which had not a single party cadre in its editors, despite being overtly party ran, but closed…

I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh. At -2 (and counting) for this currently, any downvoters care to comment as to why? If indeed this publication is a propaganda mouthpiece, then my surprise that they're publishing something that reflects badly on their medical providers should be easy to understand

> I'm surprised that they let him admit that he arrived to a ward covered in rubbish and medical waste staffed only by two opthamologists and two nurses tbh.

Sounds like a great way to establish credibility, while throwing local Wuhan officials even further under the bus.

This is not a story about how everything is perfect in China, 'cuz that's not believable to anyone. It's a story about how Central Government eventually fixed everything with the help from Patriots, which I think is going to be in increasing contrast to the Federal Government in the US, again despite a great deal of individual heroism on the ground level and a fair amount of competence in the civil service.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#47

Post by peteretep »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #34
wakenmeng wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. It is not they said that china gov controls all media and social posts. And most of the videos u saw on twitter which gov staffs' violence are posted on Chinese social media first to explore and report this to the gov. They are just similar to other countries' gov staffs' enfo…

> Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. Agreed. But, that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count in just Wuhan as many locals reported that crematoriums were running 24/7 and urns were being delivered by the…

> that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count

The Chinese populace aren't stupid, and China doesn't have the level of totalitarian control that North Korea has. Flat out denying it happened is a great way to weaken how much trust the population have in the state media.

Highlighting the (supposed) superiority of the Chinese approach to solving it to the rest of the world, now there's a gold mine, and you can be very subtle about that.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#48

Post by wangii »

peteretep wrote: post #35
tly_alex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified.

could you show a single article that is not propaganda, according to this standard?

don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you. however, I would refrain from jumping to assertion too early.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#49

Post by peteretep »

Markoff wrote: post #45
baq wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Frankly I’m surprised the CCP influence on Reddit is not very visible. Tik Tok scares me quite a bit more though.

not visible, been recently to r/worldnews ? everything criticisng China downvoted into oblivion if not straight deleted/banned

Occam's razor says this is bots rather than anything being done via "official" Reddit channels.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

#50

Post by knolax »

peteretep wrote: post #35
tly_alex wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter.

We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive social policies as Fox News would be. That's not propaganda, that's disagreement. If you literally can not comprehend that somebody might legitimately disagree with you, and will dismiss objectively true information on those grounds, then maybe you should apply the same critical judgement you've displayed here to the media you do trust.

Post reply on HN