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Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Sales and account management are easier to hire and fire. That said I bet some engineers were let go. If you're not directly client facing or related to e-commerce, you're not essential right now.

But aren't sales and account management precisely the people who are client-facing or related to e-commerce?

Yes. But now they have no one to call.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Off topic: Can anyone explain why the dow jones is going up? The dow was LOWER Jan 1st 2019. I feel we are worse off than Jan 1st 2019.

Because the market is not pricing this as a signal that the "sum of all future free cash flow" is in jeopardy.

Governments all over the world have implemented financial relief to these companies by promising to shoulder the cost of wages through the normal unemployment benefit system. Companies taking advantage of that during this extraordinary period doesn't say much about what their profitability will look like after the lockdowns are over.

In fact, in some cases this could be evidence of a flexible company that is able to scale down quickly and is more likely to survive this and future demand shocks.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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I know this is a very tired topic, but does anyone have any good blog posts or articles about "what exactly is it that you all do?" Yelp having 6000 employees. I'm not surprised, I'm not mad. I just want to understand.

Yelp's engineering isn't likely much more than ~150 people (I worked there ~2 years ago, maybe has grown since then but honestly, given their revenue situation even then, likely not by much). The mix there is just like most companies; you've got dedicated teams for each of their apps (which includes Android, iOS, web, business-facing, etc), you've got API teams, back office teams working on moving data around and business analytics, a very secretive abuse management team, IT, etc. Yelp also, given their age, wasn't (at some point) running their primary workloads in the cloud; they had (have?) a colo DC in San Francisco that hosted a ton of stuff, so there were people dedicated to that hardware. There was some movement to get rid of this as I remember.

Surprisingly, or hopefully not, the vast majority of the company is more directly revenue generating; sales and customer acquisition. Its spread very globally; at least as of a few years ago, the SF HQ didn't house any sales people, though I think they had an office in Oakland which did.

Point being, I always got the impression that their engineering team was very "right sized" given their revenue and product scope.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

#45

I know this is a very tired topic, but does anyone have any good blog posts or articles about "what exactly is it that you all do?" Yelp having 6000 employees. I'm not surprised, I'm not mad. I just want to understand.

Most consumer technology products are much more complicated under the hood than they appear to be to regular consumers.

Even most programmers -- who are well aware of the hidden complexity of the products they themselves work on -- usually seem to believe that this must not hold true for the products of other companies.

For every feature you're aware of on a random consumer tech product or service, there are probably ten or twenty more that don't concern you, that you haven't seen, or that you don't care about.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Off topic: Can anyone explain why the dow jones is going up? The dow was LOWER Jan 1st 2019. I feel we are worse off than Jan 1st 2019.

Because Fauci said earlier today expected US fatalities has been down revised to 60k Meaning it's not as bad as we all thought in previous weeks when millions were predicted to die

And/or the interventions have been working.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

#47

I know this is a very tired topic, but does anyone have any good blog posts or articles about "what exactly is it that you all do?" Yelp having 6000 employees. I'm not surprised, I'm not mad. I just want to understand.

It has a very large extortion department.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Off topic: Can anyone explain why the dow jones is going up? The dow was LOWER Jan 1st 2019. I feel we are worse off than Jan 1st 2019.

Totally out of my field here, but is it possible the stock market doesn’t actually track the economy anymore? Stocks don’t pay dividends that often nowadays; it doesn’t seem to be so much an investment as a guess about where other people think the price is going to go. I mean, what does Bitcoin track, or the price of art? It almost seems arbitrary.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Off topic: Can anyone explain why the dow jones is going up? The dow was LOWER Jan 1st 2019. I feel we are worse off than Jan 1st 2019.

Because Ackman made a 1.5 billion dollar bet on a fast recovery, meaning that he invested this money into the markets. The stock market is not a good indicator of economic stability, but rather an indicator of how the top 2% of wealth in America is doing.

Re: Yelp lays off 1000, furloughs 1100

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Off topic: Can anyone explain why the dow jones is going up? The dow was LOWER Jan 1st 2019. I feel we are worse off than Jan 1st 2019.

The FED announced a huge new stimulus package (as did the Bank of England earlier today).

I'm also surprised because I'd expect stocks to tank because that's what would make economic sense to me. People at home, not spending money, unemployment soaring. So far I'd assume this situation has more of an impact on the actual economy than the financial crisis but the market seems to disagree.

I guess the lesson here is that FED meddling/cheap money trumps all other factors. But that would mean eventually things should crash really fast.

The best lesson from "The Alchemy of Finance" (my favorite investment book) is that the market just represents the current bias, not the true situation but eventually converges to the true situation. That's subtle but hard to grasp. At least it was for me. Or in other words...what makes economic sense isn't necessarily reflected in the current market prices (as the efficient market hypothesis would suggest).

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