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Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#41
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Quick! Look over there! It's huge distraction! Cryptocurrency is indeed a hotbed of malfeasance and manipulation. Nothing you've said even addresses that point, let alone refutes it.

You always use that red herring tactic, rather than make a cogent argument--mainly because I don't think you have an actual argument but rather sensationalist knee-jerk reactions masquerading as one--but look below: I actually outlined how and why I think it is a system can actually combat the very pitfalls I listed with current features. Will corrupt actors use this technology to steal/scheme, sure, of course that m…

They are a collective failure, particularly the places in which they are traded which is what we are talking about here.

You are the one throwing around red herrings and handwaving frantically about corruption elsewhere.

Talking about the value derived from the bitcoin protocol in this situation is absurd - the protocol itself is largely irrelevant, the corruption and manipulation are at the exchanges. The 'value' of your tokens derives more from their manipulation and hype than anywhere else, which is trivial to show because cryptocurrencies are not used anywhere else (besides the dark markets I guess, and even they have moved towards privacycoins).

Your bleating about renewable energy and trustlessness is also bullshit. The claims to use of renewable energy are based on conjecture amd estimation, not measurement. As a counterpoint there is a fossil fuel plant in upstate new york that has recently been kitted out for mining.

Secondly there is no such thing as 'trustless' with cryptocurrency - you must place all trust in people you are transacting with, rather than using a trusted intermediary. I trust established banks far more than J Random Retailer on the web.

Neither is there any compelling case that cryptocurrency has any effect on "banking the unbanked". "The unbanked" have no way to get into the system in the first place, nor the tech stacks to use it.

Your entire post, your entire worldview on this is wishful thinking and practically a set of coiner memes with no basis in reality.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism does not strengthen your own position. Cryptocurrencies still suck as currencies and they are always just one regulatory action away from becoming practically useless for non-criminals.

> Whataboutism does not strengthen your own position. Granted, but what you may fail to see is that Cryptocurrency is reactionary to the blatant corruption that has been normalized, the very same beahviour that the poster decries is plaguing Cryptocurrenices without providing much of an argument. When in reality, currencies like Bitcoin continue to follow the Network's protocol that it derives its value from and has…

The 'fiat' system of floated currencies is able to adapt and change to changing economic circumstances, and be managed to keep the economy ticking over, preventing either the under or over abundance of currency by managing the supply.

In contrast cryptocurrency is fixed, static and inflexible, hampers new entrants to the economy in favour of those with established wealth, and would likely lead to the same stunted, constrained economic circumstances we can see from history, worsen crashes, and generally create the same conditions that lead to abandonment of systems like the gold standard in the past.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#43

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I'm one of the paying client for the API, people in the comments fail to understand that CMC API has many paying customers

> I'm one of the paying client for the API, people in the comments fail to understand that CMC API has many paying customers Ok, I'll bite as I think I have somewhat of an idea what their underlying value is from this service, even though I admit I don't trade; do you honestly believe that without that rating system offered to the Institutional Investment crowd I mentioned earlier they'd be at even a fraction of thei…

>do you honestly believe that without that rating system offered to the Institutional Investment crowd I mentioned earlier they'd be at even a fraction of their valuation/purchase price?

Standard license is $299/ mo, even with only 3000 paying customers, and there are likely way more than 3000 paying customers, that would be $10M a year in revenue

CMC is a good asset and a valuation/purchase price of $400M is a fair price for the API product only, let alone the ranking /rating aspect

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#44
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400 Million?! Maybe I'm missing something, but last time I checked, CoinMarketCap was just a stock ticker website for cryptocurrencies. Where is the value...?

I have a theory: they [finance] have (more than) enough cash, and they don't want another exchange to acquire them [cmc] and have so much visibility. It reminds me of ctrip buying Skyscanner, maybe soon a "buy with binance" button for each crypto? More visibility for their platform and BNB?

Wouldnt it make as much sense to buy bitpay.com then? Buy something thats already deployed to many customers, and prevent competition from buying it.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#45
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You always use that red herring tactic, rather than make a cogent argument--mainly because I don't think you have an actual argument but rather sensationalist knee-jerk reactions masquerading as one--but look below: I actually outlined how and why I think it is a system can actually combat the very pitfalls I listed with current features. Will corrupt actors use this technology to steal/scheme, sure, of course that m…

They are a collective failure, particularly the places in which they are traded which is what we are talking about here. You are the one throwing around red herrings and handwaving frantically about corruption elsewhere. Talking about the value derived from the bitcoin protocol in this situation is absurd - the protocol itself is largely irrelevant, the corruption and manipulation are at the exchanges. The 'value' of…

> They are a collective failure, particularly the places in which they are traded which is what we are talking about here.

Funny, I'll just point to the BTC-e vs MT Gox example as what to expect when the State gets involved and steals the funds of an exchange outside its jurisdiction and what that outcome was, and the outcome of one that is incorporated and left to in the hands of a bunch bureaucrats to solve under a rehabilitation process.

You do the legwork and see what and how these 'failures' are caused.

> Talking about the value derived from the bitcoin protocol in this situation is absurd - the protocol itself is largely irrelevant, the corruption and manipulation are at the exchanges. The 'value' of your tokens derives more from their manipulation and hype than anywhere else, which is trivial to show because cryptocurrencies are not used anywhere else (besides the dark markets I guess, and even they have moved towards privacycoins).

Why, because you say it is? The truth is that: one bitcoin is still one bitcoin, and carries all of the functionality and security of the protocol, be it at $2 or $20k exchange price. This is critical in understanding what you're dealing with, and your refusal to accept that only exposes the weakness in your arguments even further. But lets continue...

They're not used in anything else? Do you realize Square got 1/2 of its profits from the buy/sale of Bitcoin, equal to that of its fiat Cash App feature(s), which is quite a popular fintech app and a common way to send money via mobile:

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-drove-half-of-squares-cash-...

> Your bleating about renewable energy and trustlessness is also bullshit. The claims to use of renewable energy are based on conjecture amd estimation, not measurement. As a counterpoint there is a fossil fuel plant in upstate new york that has recently been kitted out for mining.

Then explain just these projects and what direction Bitcoin has taken for nearly 7 years before that:

https://fortune.com/2019/10/15/what-is-bitcoin-mining-layer1...

https://insidebitcoins.com/news/us-county-extends-regulation...

I can go on, but, it just goes to show just how shallow your understanding of the topic you're attempting to rebuttal is. No one said it was 100% on renewable, so a single example of a fossil based doesn't diminish those findings, and that its 70%+ and growing, as it seeks to source the lowest energy cost for the greatest return on on investment: which as it turns out is renewable energy, be it solar, wind, or thermal as is the case in Iceland.

> Secondly there is no such thing as 'trustless' with cryptocurrency - you must place all trust in people you are transacting with, rather than using a trusted intermediary. I trust established banks far more than J Random Retailer on the web.

Really? I guess you're saying I can't create 2-3 multisig address to transact, because this was one of the earliest BIPs and is documented here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0016_QA

And I can have that wallet operate on my own that I run from my own node, without the need to use 3rd party services.

> Neither is there any compelling case that cryptocurrency has any effect on "banking the unbanked". "The unbanked" have no way to get into the system in the first place, nor the tech stacks to use it.

> Your entire post, your entire worldview on this is wishful thinking and practically a set of coiner memes with no basis in reality.

Really? Ever heard of Bitpesa, a Bitcoin based alternative to M-pesa which has DEEP penetration in Africa and relies on equally low tech solutions to operate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitPesa

And also note Jack Dorsey has made Africa on the Square/Cash App roadmap:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2019/12/01/jack-...

I just hope now you can take the time to look deeper than skimming some headline about how crypto is a failure and repeat it as fact when you can't seem to be able differentiate utility from certain examples of hype cycle alt-coin exit scams and paint both with a very broad brush strokes to suit your narrative.

Again all of this is sensationalist, reactionary conjecture from someone who see's no personal utility from crypto, and so assumes it must hold true for others.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#46
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400 Million?! Maybe I'm missing something, but last time I checked, CoinMarketCap was just a stock ticker website for cryptocurrencies. Where is the value...?

You're underestimating the influence CMC has over the space. They determine what exchange volume is legit and what isn't, also what coins are worthy of being listed. At the least, this gives Binance additional stability, at the most, they can really consolidate trading volume at their exchange and for Binance approved coins.

The coinmarketcap volume is not legit at all. They created the adjusted volume metric but it's still plain wrong. They currently show a 24h volume of $112Bn and a total market cap of $182Bn - that's just ridiculous.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#47
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whataboutism does not strengthen your own position. Granted, but what you may fail to see is that Cryptocurrency is reactionary to the blatant corruption that has been normalized, the very same beahviour that the poster decries is plaguing Cryptocurrenices without providing much of an argument. When in reality, currencies like Bitcoin continue to follow the Network's protocol that it derives its value from and has…

The 'fiat' system of floated currencies is able to adapt and change to changing economic circumstances, and be managed to keep the economy ticking over, preventing either the under or over abundance of currency by managing the supply. In contrast cryptocurrency is fixed, static and inflexible, hampers new entrants to the economy in favour of those with established wealth, and would likely lead to the same stunted, co…

It's the future they chose.

You can't both clamp down on freedom, and then complain when people pick other alternatives.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#48

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Ironically, if cryptocurrency succeeds, it will only help to put another nail in the marxist coffin.

I think you may be right. What we would get after with cryptocurrencies might be some kind of unregulated anarcho-capitalism. According to Marx, the absence of regulations should clear the path for capitalism's self-destruction. So I don't know if this would mark the end of Marxism or be a catalyst for its revival. But it probably won't be a smooth transition. But who knows, maybe anarcho-capitalism will work if the…

How can you have Marxism without control of capital and/or means of production?

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#49
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To the suspicious, CMC is more than a crypto prices list: https://coinmarketcap.com/api/pricing/ They also have several openings: https://jobs.coinmarketcap.com/employers/293118-coinmarketca...

I'm one of the paying client for the API, people in the comments fail to understand that CMC API has many paying customers

Do you have an email where I can contact you? I just have a few questions.

Re: Binance to acquire CoinMarketCap for $400M

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism does not strengthen your own position. Cryptocurrencies still suck as currencies and they are always just one regulatory action away from becoming practically useless for non-criminals.

> Whataboutism does not strengthen your own position. Granted, but what you may fail to see is that Cryptocurrency is reactionary to the blatant corruption that has been normalized, the very same beahviour that the poster decries is plaguing Cryptocurrenices without providing much of an argument. When in reality, currencies like Bitcoin continue to follow the Network's protocol that it derives its value from and has…

> Sucks in what way exactly?

You can't really use them as currencies. They're too unstable. Cryptocurrency transactions are taxable events in the US. That alone is too much of hassle to make them worthwhile.

They're usually backed by nothing, which makes them a purely speculative risk asset. The most stable coins are backed, ironically, by fiat. Sometimes with fractional reserve. I've looked into crypto backed by precious metals, but liquidity is awful.

So they're useless as currencies, they're useless as a hedge, the only use for cryptocurrency is to speculate on cryptocurrency.

> Because from where I'm standing: I continue to have access to a low cost, friction-less token on an immutable ledger operating on the World's most secure Network on my phone, that I can use anywhere with wifi, and I can pay anyone who currently accepts Bitcoin and it operates 24/7 without anyone's permission.

Yes, that's the gimmick. I get it.

> And I can program it to do various things on top of that should I need it to, with built in trustless systems

All your "trustless" system can do is shift around entries on digital ledgers. That's not that useful. Most systems require some degree of real world trust and accountability.

For example, how does cryptocurrency deal with fraud and theft? Quite poorly, if you ask me.

> All of which incentivizes not only fair commerce and a real usecase for triple bottom line accounting, as it spurs on renewable energy as its main source as it continues to grow but also allows for previously marginalized/undocumented people into an economic system to be on boarded

I don't see any evidence that it actually does that. Sounds more like wishful thinking.

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