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Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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Quite frankly I won't miss large, overpriced, junket confs like O'Reilly's. They were too expensive for most people to justify attending without corporate sponsorship. The expo halls were full of enterprise sales pitches with minimal substance. They also had sponsored keynotes which tended to be sales pitches. If you go to meet people instead of selling your product go to smaller confs put on by local organizers.

>They were too expensive for most people to justify attending without corporate sponsorship.

I think that's mostly their point. It's a getaway "perk" for office drones.

Conferences are fun to attend once a year, but personally I never did much "business" at them. It was a work vacation. YMMV.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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I actually was planning to attend their DevOps conference this year before COVID. My employer will sponsor one conference of my choice. Any recommendations for replacements?

Ask for your employer to cut you a check for the cost it takes you to go to a conference, and spend it on some good headphones or earbuds, and a bidet.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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I remember having to justify (if my boss was kidding, he's not good at jokes) a $3k ticket for JavaOne several times. Both times I came back with a handful of tidbits that would have saved either myself or an entire team weeks of frustrating debugging or research work. So yeah, you got your money's worth.

This is one of the issues I have with conferences--I have to sit through hours of stuff I don't care about to find the nuggets that are useful. This is NOT confined to software conferences. I have been to semiconductor conferences and injection molding conferences and the phenomenon is the same.

If you’re only there to watch and listen you’re doing it wrong. It’ll be faster, cheaper, and more effective watching videos offline.

Conferences are for networking and interacting with like minded people. It’s for asking questions that are not part of the presentation, learning about something interesting someone is doing that’s not in some slides, or just bouncing off your own crazy ideas on a new audience.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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I remember having to justify (if my boss was kidding, he's not good at jokes) a $3k ticket for JavaOne several times. Both times I came back with a handful of tidbits that would have saved either myself or an entire team weeks of frustrating debugging or research work. So yeah, you got your money's worth.

This is one of the issues I have with conferences--I have to sit through hours of stuff I don't care about to find the nuggets that are useful. This is NOT confined to software conferences. I have been to semiconductor conferences and injection molding conferences and the phenomenon is the same.

> I have to sit through hours of stuff I don't care about to find the nuggets that are useful.

> This is NOT confined to software conferences.

It's not confined to anything. This is a problem any time you want knowledge of any kind. Nobody in the past wrote a book thinking of you specifically having whatever problem in the future.

Consider Ben Waggoner's answer here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-equivalent-of-the-names-of...

Imagine the question is "what were the Norse constellations?" (It's not the question originally asked, but it is the question being answered.) This is the type of thing that might have been formally documented. But if it was, all such documentation was lost. Instead, the knowledge is distributed through every cultural artifact ever produced by the Norse:

> Here's the thing. We do have some astronomical manuscripts written in Iceland, in Old Icelandic. However, they're translations of Greek or Latin works

> Most of these are found in Icelandic treatises on computus, the medieval art of reckoning the calendar and determining the dates of Christian holy days; these also contain some astronomical lore. But they're not useful guides to what the pre-Christian, pre-book culture Norse would have thought about the stars.

> Most of the constellation names are direct translations of the Latin names. Aquarius is Vatnkarl (“water-man”), Pisces is Fiskarnir (“the fish”)

> Some of the texts refer to constellations that I don't think are even visible from Iceland, such as Centaurus and Ara, so clearly they're not "native Norse" texts.

> And yet. . . every so often, one of these translations will slip something in that's not in the original.

>> Andromeda, daughter of Cepheus, wife of Perseus, sits in the Milk Ring [Milky Way], there where we say "wolf's jaws", in between Pisces and Cassiopeia and Aries

> And boom, there's a constellation name that has nothing to do with Greek mythology: in normalized spelling, úlfs kjöptr, "wolf's mouth" or "wolf's jaws."

If you want to answer this simple question ("What were the Norse constellations?"), you need to read... everything. We got lucky in this astronomical treatise -- it included information that wasn't supposed to be there. Epic poetry isn't unlikely to make some kind of reference to the stars. Maybe we could tease something out of a folk song. Maybe there's a picture somewhere with a caption on it. Maybe there's an ancient anthropological study of the Norse by some other culture, that happens to mention a constellation of theirs.

Everything is like this. Try studying any language independently and then sitting in on a class. It will either be mostly stuff you already knew, with stuff you didn't know scattered randomly through, or it will be mostly stuff you didn't know, with stuff you learned long ago scattered randomly through, presented as new and challenging. It probably is new and challenging -- to the students in the class, who have been through a curriculum designed to lead them to this one.

There is no way to make the world give you only information that you think is relevant, because "information you think is relevant" is a concept that only exists in your mind.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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Local events won't pull in luminaries from around the continent/world spending serious time preparing their presentation, though...

Is that really worth an in-person ticket and hassle? It's not like they mingle anyway.

I think it depends on the culture of the group. If the group isn't cohesive enough to have a culture, you're doomed. I've been to conferences where if you didn't know someone important, you were just another mark.

My experience at YAPC, now "The Perl Conference" has been different. The culture there is very open. I made it one time, I'm no luminary in the Perl community, but Larry Wall invited me to lunch. The other speakers were also very open and approachable.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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Quite frankly I won't miss large, overpriced, junket confs like O'Reilly's. They were too expensive for most people to justify attending without corporate sponsorship. The expo halls were full of enterprise sales pitches with minimal substance. They also had sponsored keynotes which tended to be sales pitches. If you go to meet people instead of selling your product go to smaller confs put on by local organizers.

Dreamforce hit this tipping point around 2015 where it just became too big for any practical purposes.

Most people are there for the free swag, parties, and booze.

The sessions have increasingly sensationalized titles with hollow delivery.

The local hotels charge $500 night. Uber and Lyft drivers converge on Moscone center like bees to honey.

Local traffic in SF comes to a halt.

Sounds fun. Right?

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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So many conferences are like that, even local ones. I just went to a conference in Richmond, VA (RVATech Summit). The first keynote spent his entire time selling his company, and barely mentioned machine learning. His presentation was called "Building a Company around Machine Learning". The year before, the head of machine learning at amazon spent his 45 mins talking about the advantages of AWS over Azure. The more m…

I don't understand why more people don't just get up and leave. Yeah, it can be perceived as being rude, but I view someone bait and switching me to listen to a 45 min sales pitch as rude. If the majority of people did this presenters/conference planners would get the point. I DO realize that some of these pay the bills so I give them 10 mins tops. If you don't start talking about meat-and-potatoes after that, I'm ou…

Some people are interested in the sales pitch, especially if they can ask questions directly afterwards.

For me, a lot of times I go to conferences about subjects I already have expertise in, so it’s hit or miss if I can learn anything. So having a talk about someone’s product or personal experience can be better than a lecture over knowledge I already have.

Re: Pouring one out for the end of O’Reilly’s in-person conferences

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Quite frankly I won't miss large, overpriced, junket confs like O'Reilly's. They were too expensive for most people to justify attending without corporate sponsorship. The expo halls were full of enterprise sales pitches with minimal substance. They also had sponsored keynotes which tended to be sales pitches. If you go to meet people instead of selling your product go to smaller confs put on by local organizers.

Dreamforce hit this tipping point around 2015 where it just became too big for any practical purposes. Most people are there for the free swag, parties, and booze. The sessions have increasingly sensationalized titles with hollow delivery. The local hotels charge $500 night. Uber and Lyft drivers converge on Moscone center like bees to honey. Local traffic in SF comes to a halt. Sounds fun. Right?

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