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Infections raise resting heart rate. so resting heart rate is a good indicator of an infections. I've made an app that collect heart rate data from the apple watch and posts it to a public server together with an approximate location. Data is anonymized. Apple rejected the app, since it relates to human subject research and need IRB approval. The app and backend are open source. If anyone want to push this through th…

Bloody bureaucrats. Is there some way you could get a recognized institution to back you? I'll tweet out a request see if someone is willing to take it up.

I'm sorry but what then? We'll have 200 corona tracking apps backed by random people, with no ties to efforts that actually do something useful, no scientific review of efficacy and potentially a non zero number of apps that are either malicious or misuse the data later on.

It's not like we don't have precedent with the latter at this point. Apple's stance doesn't really seem that unreasonable here.

Who would that help?

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I was diagnosed with tachycardia when I was a child, during a mysterious illness that hospitalized me and that is suspected to have been a cytokine storm. I recently got my heart checked out (about a year ago). They never found the cause. I think it got better since I was a kid, but my resting heart rate still tends to be in the 90s. It does not cause any impact on my life. I exercise a lot, and just feel normal. Then again since I've had it my whole life maybe my 'normal' is actually not normal to people who have a lower heart rate.

I'm still not sure if this puts me at any sort of elevated risk should I get infected with COVID-19. I am self isolating just in case, but my country is not really taking very drastic isolation measures right now and part of me just feels like I am being paranoid with no clear way to know if I am predisposed to any complications or not.

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I was diagnosed with tachycardia when I was a child, during a mysterious illness that hospitalized me and that is suspected to have been a cytokine storm. I recently got my heart checked out (about a year ago). They never found the cause. I think it got better since I was a kid, but my resting heart rate still tends to be in the 90s. It does not cause any impact on my life. I exercise a lot, and just feel normal. The…

> tachycardia when I was a child

You might have been misdiagnosed based on the information available at that time. Children have different statistics on various body parameters at various age groups. You could compare your reports with recent research to see if you actually had tachycardia

> resting heart rate still tends to be in the 90s

It is within the normal age but on the higher end, but you should get your blood pressure checked. I do not know your age, but it might change once you go above 25 or 28. When Rhr drops with age, it is a sign that your metabolism is slowing and you should start measuring body-fat.

> any sort of elevated risk should I get infected with COVID-19

There is no real correlation or evidence. But in your case if you have mild fever and feel nauseous - that would be the first red flag. It may be just because you ate something, but if it is Covid19 or any flu causing SARS then the other symptoms like dry cough and higher fever may follow in 8-24 hours. You may not even see mild respiratory/breathing problems or severe fatigue or low blood pressure until 48-72 hours. Seeking medical attention and getting good diagnosis and prognosis quickly should be a priority, many people go to the emergency after 120-144 hours and then end up on ventilators in a matter of 4-6 hours. The survival rates on ventilators are not good enough.

Note: I'm not a medical professional. I have known these things out of my curiosity in medicine and accidental experience in hospitals with some talented doctors and intensivists.

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This is hearsay, but I recall being at the Precision Medicine Conference recently and one of the speakers said that when sick with, say, flu, your heart rate spikes maybe 30-60 minutes before you'd otherwise know (have a fever, headache, etc.). So it didn't seem like a very useful test. Maybe coronavirus is different though. I would check up on sources.

I use a garmin watch and I can confirm this. I had a very high fever about a month ago, so I got to see all the metrics in action. My resting heart rate did not spike until I already had symptoms, making it a useless predictor. Heart rate variability did steadily decline for several days before the onset of symptoms, so that could actually be a useful predictor of infection.

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I was diagnosed with tachycardia when I was a child, during a mysterious illness that hospitalized me and that is suspected to have been a cytokine storm. I recently got my heart checked out (about a year ago). They never found the cause. I think it got better since I was a kid, but my resting heart rate still tends to be in the 90s. It does not cause any impact on my life. I exercise a lot, and just feel normal. The…

> tachycardia when I was a child You might have been misdiagnosed based on the information available at that time. Children have different statistics on various body parameters at various age groups. You could compare your reports with recent research to see if you actually had tachycardia > resting heart rate still tends to be in the 90s It is within the normal age but on the higher end, but you should get your bloo…

Thank you for your input. I am already 31 and when I got this checked out the doctors did say my heart rate was faster than normal, but just didn't find a cause. I'm hoping that it is as you say - still relatively normal! My blood pressure has historically been totally fine.

Unfortunately I don't have reports from when I was a child. This was in a post soviet country in the early 90s and I doubt those medical records are still obtainable. At the time I was experiencing some kind of reaction causing high fever, hives and swelling everywhere, and inability to move due to bone and joint pain. I can't remember how long it lasted, I think it was weeks. The doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong and thought I was dying, but in one of their tests they did pick up on the tachycardia.

I'm a little disappointed because I am a rather fit and athletic person, so I'd expect my resting heart rate to be lower as we see with other athletic adults! When I exercise it almost immediately goes to the very high 100s, and sometimes to 200 after strenuous exercise, but I don't consider that to be worrying like a high heart rate at rest.

I will be sure to watch out for the signs and the progression you mention. But in terms of seeking care early - I'm not quite sure what good that would do. If I don't need a ventilator yet and just have normal cold or flu like symptoms (which I'd usually stay home for) how would they be able to help? It isn't like there's a cure right? I would be concerned with going to the doctor and being turned away as there's nothing they can do, but in the meantime taking up valuable time and resources from people who may be more severely ill.

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It's non-invasive, doesn't require the breaking of quarantine and relies on infrastructure that is already in place. More information is better than less and the author has some degree of professional expertise in the subject, according to statements on the page linked. There are always going to be outliers and what not. I knew someone who used to intentionally lower their heart rate to like 30 beats per second when…

> More information is better than less False positives come at a cost. For example there is considerable debate about the use of routine mammograms, because of the potential stress caused by false positives.

I read a paper recently on the Chinese outbreak of COVID-19 that found approximately 80% of the positive test results on people without symptoms were false positives.

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Infections raise resting heart rate. so resting heart rate is a good indicator of an infections. I've made an app that collect heart rate data from the apple watch and posts it to a public server together with an approximate location. Data is anonymized. Apple rejected the app, since it relates to human subject research and need IRB approval. The app and backend are open source. If anyone want to push this through th…

> Infections raise resting heart rate. so resting heart rate is a good indicator of an infections. This does not logically follow. There are many reasons your resting heart rate could be increased and most will be unrelated to infections.

This is the classic logical fallacy “affirming the consequent”. Look it up.
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