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Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by djsumdog »

aabeshou wrote: post #28

okay but they're only raising wages by $2. It's disgusting. Jeff Bezos makes millions of dollars an hour. no bootlicking responses please

I don't get the Amazon love on here either. I stopped shopping off Amazon in 2016 (I stopped shopping at Wal-Mart in 2009) and only use AWS because I have to for work.

I don't really think Amazon, or even AWS for that matter, has been a collective good for society or tech. It's just locked people into using them for the default. Easy/frictionless goods and web service infrastructure might seem like a step up, but it locks you in as well.

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by jszymborski »

djsumdog wrote: post #38
crooked-v wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I doubt Amazon warehouses represent a significant transmission vector Well, we know that COVID-19 can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard. That actually gives a simple way to avoid outgoing spread: make sure items don't begin shipping, or don't leave the truck, for at least 30 hours from packaging. It means no 2-day shipping, but I think even "fast" shipping times are at something like a week for most people right…

> Well, we know that COVID-19 can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard Do you have a source for that? Nicholas Christakis (John Hopkins MD, infectious disease specialist) said on most surfaces, SARS-cov2 (the virus, COVID-19 is the disease) can survive an hour. He did mention it depends on the environment (it would only survive a few minutes on copper surfaces for example), so is cardboard able to hold the virus along…

I think we just don't know yet. The WHO has this to say:

"It is not certain how long the virus that causes COVID-19 survives on surfaces, but it seems to behave like other coronaviruses. Studies suggest that coronaviruses (including preliminary information on the COVID-19 virus) may persist on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days. This may vary under different conditions (e.g. type of surface, temperature or humidity of the environment).

If you think a surface may be infected, clean it with simple disinfectant to kill the virus and protect yourself and others. Clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand rub or wash them with soap and water. Avoid touching your eyes, mouth, or nose."

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by wiredone »

aabeshou wrote: post #28

okay but they're only raising wages by $2. It's disgusting. Jeff Bezos makes millions of dollars an hour. no bootlicking responses please

Why is it disgusting? They gave everyone a wage increase, and they already pay above minimums.

Also, Jeff doesn't make millions an hour, he gets paid in stock. Stock is not cash, and is not a form of liquidity. In addition, $AMZN has dropped 20% in the past month, so by your math he's been "losing" money.

Get off your high horse and get real - there's about to be a recession, and they're hiring people who are out of a job AND paying them extra while they ensure people have a way to get vital goods while staying indoors and minimizing spread.

This whole "they're evil" bs is tiring and lazy.

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by crooked-v »

djsumdog wrote: post #38
crooked-v wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I doubt Amazon warehouses represent a significant transmission vector Well, we know that COVID-19 can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard. That actually gives a simple way to avoid outgoing spread: make sure items don't begin shipping, or don't leave the truck, for at least 30 hours from packaging. It means no 2-day shipping, but I think even "fast" shipping times are at something like a week for most people right…

> Well, we know that COVID-19 can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard Do you have a source for that? Nicholas Christakis (John Hopkins MD, infectious disease specialist) said on most surfaces, SARS-cov2 (the virus, COVID-19 is the disease) can survive an hour. He did mention it depends on the environment (it would only survive a few minutes on copper surfaces for example), so is cardboard able to hold the virus along…

https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-survive-plastic-cardboa...

> and can survive on cardboard for a day—up to 24 hours—post-contamination.

And the actual paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by crooked-v »

op00to wrote: post #40
crooked-v wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I doubt Amazon warehouses represent a significant transmission vector Well, we know that COVID-19 can survive up to 24 hours on cardboard. That actually gives a simple way to avoid outgoing spread: make sure items don't begin shipping, or don't leave the truck, for at least 30 hours from packaging. It means no 2-day shipping, but I think even "fast" shipping times are at something like a week for most people right…

“Survive” “viable”. Do these terms means if you touch a box and then touch your face you’re done, or only that the rna found was not degraded to the point that it was recognizable?

The actual paper[1] talks in terms of half-lives, so it would be gradually less chance of any spread over that 24-hour period.

[1]: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v...

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by aabeshou »

wiredone wrote: post #44
aabeshou wrote: post #28

okay but they're only raising wages by $2. It's disgusting. Jeff Bezos makes millions of dollars an hour. no bootlicking responses please

Why is it disgusting? They gave everyone a wage increase, and they already pay above minimums. Also, Jeff doesn't make millions an hour, he gets paid in stock. Stock is not cash, and is not a form of liquidity. In addition, $AMZN has dropped 20% in the past month, so by your math he's been "losing" money. Get off your high horse and get real - there's about to be a recession, and they're hiring people who are out of…

no, what's tiring and lazy (and yes, evil) is the idea that the peons at the bottom should be grateful for what the people at the top, who hoard 99% of the world's wealth, can get away with paying them. $15/hour is hardly living large, and a $2 bump is insulting

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by scrollaway »

fortran77 wrote: post #34
natalyarostova wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Disclaimer: I work at Amazon). We have a world class supply-chain. This is a moment when the US, and the world, 100% must have a functioning supply chain. I'm proud of the work we're doing to keep things running under unusual stress.

Oh really? You're selling contaminated improperly packaged medical supplies at 10x - 100x the original price. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETU-_paU0AIjwnK?format=jpg&name=... World-class my ass.

Amazon's supply chain can be world-class and its anti-fraud can be awful; they're not mutually exclusive statements.

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by maw »

ldng wrote: post #36
ouid wrote: post #21

No, Amazon is providing an absolutely critical service in this time.

Not really. Unless it is delivering food IMO. Maybe in the US but in EU, it is not.

It doesn't take much to put together an argument that keeping people from going stir-crazy in their homes is critical.

Re: Amazon: Staff told to work overtime as virus spikes demand

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Post by ldng »

maw wrote: post #49
ldng wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Unless it is delivering food IMO. Maybe in the US but in EU, it is not.

It doesn't take much to put together an argument that keeping people from going stir-crazy in their homes is critical.

Let's be real here, Amazon, the online shop, is not "absolutely critical". If they closed today for 15 days, a lot of people will not even notice. Unless you are a shopping, in which case, well that would be a great time for a desintox and expand your world view :-)
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