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Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

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Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

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post #20

I'll play the devil's advocate. Bandwidth is a finite resource, and it could be in critically short supply. In those circumstances, I wouldn't expect everyone to get more bandwidth, I'd expect it to be rationed.

The problem is how do you establish effective rationing with no preparation? It's nigh impossible.

Even with preparation, It would be a very difficult and impossibly contentious process.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the internet this sentiment is called virtue signalling: it costs you nothing, but people around you think you are a good guy.

Except this "sentiment" will genuinely help people who lose their jobs due to corona and won't be able to pay bills. That extra money from not paying a bill can really help out.

If they won’t be paying for food, paying rent, paying for commute, paying for gas, the life of people who lost jobs due to corona will also be much easier. What’s so special about internet? Nothing.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#43
post #4

to all those who are blackhat , this is not the time to commit crimes and give people reason to want to dissconnect services, if you are a criminal at least realize that you are overtaxing your bread and butter. give it a break for a while until the system can handle the load of light and dark together

Unfortunately a lot of people lack any common sense or sympathy for others. On the other hand it might be a good time to motivate and teach users to stay safe.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#44
post #40

> To illustrate, in the Netherlands we are in lockdown, because of the COVID-19 hazard: you are expected to only leave your house if it is absolutely critical, such as to pick up food from the food distribution centers, to get meds, to go work in a hospital, etc. You have food distribution centers? I'm jealous.

I'm from the Netherlands, I think what he means is supermarket. Because distribution centers deliver food to the super market itself instead of the customers. Otherwise I'm not sure what he/she is talking about.

We have a full lockdown, yet everyone is outside and it's really crowded. There aren't people that give a (...) About the situation, especially in this city, because most of the people are higher educated.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the internet this sentiment is called virtue signalling: it costs you nothing, but people around you think you are a good guy.

Except this "sentiment" will genuinely help people who lose their jobs due to corona and won't be able to pay bills. That extra money from not paying a bill can really help out.

Also, this sentiment will actually help nobody: if some isp decides to stop taking money for internet, they will do it without suggestion by ripe. That original post was virtue signaling, noise with no practical outcome.

On the other hang people who actually spend resources (for example those isp who continue to provide the internet to those who lost jobs) actually make change, and we are thankful to them.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#46
post #4

to all those who are blackhat , this is not the time to commit crimes and give people reason to want to dissconnect services, if you are a criminal at least realize that you are overtaxing your bread and butter. give it a break for a while until the system can handle the load of light and dark together

Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean like the RDP marketplaces should slow down so people cant find a computer near the skimmed credit card they bought so that visa transactions go through? Or something more like corporate hacking? Or back to the RDP to install monero mining botnets? I’m just trying to figure out which one you are referring to as “overtaxing”

similar to the virus or with any sort of lotka/voltera dynamics you cant take so much of a targets budget that it cant survive, that means if you subsist off others like animals do [consumers] those others[producers] must have enough "stuff" left to stay afloat or everyone goes down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equatio...

there is a basis for mutual coexistence, it is a maladaptation for anyone to destroy the basis of your existence.

in particular the idea of ransoming or disrupting connectivity and integrity of critical data, info ,services or creating compounding issues. If someone makes thier living doing that, now is not the time for thier own sake as well.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#47
post #6

Here in Australia, a few responsible providers like Aussie Broadband have already announced unmetered data usage and temporarily stopping all service suspensions. https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/blog/aussie-broadband-ann... Edit: The real test though will be the bandwidth of our gov-sponsored, substandard, widely FTTN (instead of full FTTP).

As a kiwi it blows my mind how bad your broadband is over there. My cousin recently moved to some rural Aussie town and will be getting 25 megabit, tops. Here in NZ we're rolling out 4 gigabit connections nationwide over the next 6 months. EDIT: props for getting rid of limits and disconnects though. NZ providers are just saying we'll be able to cope with everyone working from home because we have a fancy network.

Yeah it sucks, and what's worse is that there's no near-future course correction by the policy makers. This is going to come back and bite us in some very uncomfortable places.

Kudos for the multi-gigabit fibre, when we can only imagine of a gigabit lottery.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#48
post #6

Here in Australia, a few responsible providers like Aussie Broadband have already announced unmetered data usage and temporarily stopping all service suspensions. https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/blog/aussie-broadband-ann... Edit: The real test though will be the bandwidth of our gov-sponsored, substandard, widely FTTN (instead of full FTTP).

It's worth noting for context that the NBN was meant to be FTTP across the entire country, until the most recent conservative government came in and promptly cancelled all that.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

#49
post #20

I'll play the devil's advocate. Bandwidth is a finite resource, and it could be in critically short supply. In those circumstances, I wouldn't expect everyone to get more bandwidth, I'd expect it to be rationed.

The problem is how do you establish effective rationing with no preparation? It's nigh impossible. Even with preparation, It would be a very difficult and impossibly contentious process.

For the downvoters, I'm just pointing out that removing all caps and limits doesn't automatically create abundance.

As far as establishing effective policy: ISPs have a lot of practice rationing bandwidth, I'm sure there's a way that's fair enough. Putting a price on it is a good start.

Re: Don't Terminate People's Internet Connections

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post #48
post #6

Here in Australia, a few responsible providers like Aussie Broadband have already announced unmetered data usage and temporarily stopping all service suspensions. https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/blog/aussie-broadband-ann... Edit: The real test though will be the bandwidth of our gov-sponsored, substandard, widely FTTN (instead of full FTTP).

It's worth noting for context that the NBN was meant to be FTTP across the entire country, until the most recent conservative government came in and promptly cancelled all that.

My area is fixed mobile only now.

The storms we had 6+ weeks ago knocked out the landline (and adsl), so we've been tethering for any internet, which is 1 bar strength of 4g.

It's increasingly unlikely that Telstra (the fixed line telco) will ever repair the copper: we've had several promises and nothing yet (nor expected until April).

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