Earlier quoted context omitted.
A key feature of our society is that many things are given away for free and supported by an advertising infrastructure.
I emailed Troy to ask if he'd consider operating it as a non-profit utility similar to Let's Encrypt, and offered to help (because it's only fair if you come with an ask).
Project Svalbard, Have I Been Pwned and its ongoing independence
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#43I appreciate what HIBP does, but I believe it serves Troy's personal brand more than it would any corporate owner. The biggest issue is the data is super stale. Things regularly pop up in SpyCloud 6-12 months before HIBP, and as a result they are a much more attractive acquisition target. There is also an unreasonable dependency on CloudFlare kool-aid for HIBP and his other services. I reached out to Troy about spons…
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#44Thanks to Troy for HIBP and the story here. It may be because he cannot speak towards the specifics of the deal, but I truly hope there was a breakup clause. For those un-aware, M&A deals eventually go exclusive which, as this post points out, is very very time consuming, which means expensive. Those who are involved in the deal itself, very little work gets done that runs the business. So to protect against the down…
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#45Anyone have a clue who the potential acquirer was? Just curious as to whether they wanted the brand of Troy Hunt as the databases are public and most technically savvy organizations can put one together.
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#46This makes me very sad. Not that the deal fell through, because of course it did, but because of the process he undertook. Every part of it makes me sad. Any correction or rebuttal I get to this will make me happier, so I hope I'm wrong about a lot of it.
First, the adage that companies are bought, not sold, has in my experience and the experience of my friends been pretty much true.†
Next, The most valuable thing about HIBP isn't the underlying work Hunt did --- lots of companies have done equivalent work --- but HIBP's notoriety and popularity.
Which to me means that every credible acquirer of HIBP already knew he was for sale --- because everybody is for sale --- and already fully capable of reaching out to Hunt and offering him some kind of deal. The list of bizarre stories I've heard about random projects that have received corpdev offers like this is long.
Which to me suggests that putting a lot of work into a deck that explains HIBP and what makes it valuable was not a good use of time. If you're explaining, you're losing.
Then there's reaching out to your tax advisor to coordinate the sale. I have only heard bad stories about retaining financial firms to shop companies. In this case there's the added fact of the enormous incentive mismatch: Hunt is engaging a financial firm to act as his agent with a bunch of their own clients and client prospects, practically every one of which seems like it'd be worth more to KPMG than the HIBP "sale" or any ongoing relationship with Hunt himself.
Then there's what KPMG actually did, which was to arrange FORTY(!) pitches. To each of which he disclosed traffic stats and revenue numbers!
Bringing us back to HIBP's value being its notoriety, in that: anyone you have to explain HIBP to is probably not a qualified prospect. Also, just the idea that there would be 40+ qualified prospects to begin with.
My feeling is that a pretty big chunk of YC companies get a whole stream of invitations to corpdev meetings equivalent to the ones Hunt went through here. And that a big part of YC's founder education is convincing founders never to go to these meetings, because they're so unlikely to have good outcomes, and because the counterparties in those meetings are basically trained and selected to efficiently screw founders over. Here, it seems like Hunt paid for the privilege of experiencing this.
Then there's the deck itself; the one detailed slide of which we get to see is an exquisitely detailed rationale for why Hunt's presence is vital for the continued success of HIBP. "This is what the organisations bidding on HIBP were buying: trust in me." That's a description of a job interview, not a company sale. Elsewhere on this thread there's a comment saying HIBP should be worth 8-9 figures. Can we think of a company with this slide in their deck and that valuation?
In the end, he gets to term sheets with one potential company, and goes through what appears to be a full-fledged warrants-and-reps due diligence process, the completion of which is rewarded with a polite "no thank you" from the company.
This seems like the longest, most expensive job search anyone here has ever read about. I assume he paid KPMG for their work on this, and what KPMG did here looks to me like malpractice.
We give YC a lot of shit and they sure deserve a lot of that shit, but it's not unusual for me to look at a security founder story and think "this person really, really would have benefited from going through YC".
I like what Troy Hunt is doing a lot and he seems great. I hope things go better for him building this project up without trying to shop it for new owners.
† The exceptions to "bought not sold" that we read about most frequently here are companies put up on company-flipping brokerage sites and sold solely for their revenue streams.
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#47Sorry, but the more I read this, the more I feel like KPMG is the main reason for the failed process... > And so in September, we granted exclusivity to a bidder. (...) And so began the extensive due diligence. KPMG had warned me about this phase right at the beginning of the process and from memory, the word they used was something akin to "onerous". You're supposed to have your ducks in a row before you launch the…
I also distinct got the sense that KPMG bungled this process. They seemed to bafflingly parlay Troy's position of strength into a position of weakness. Of course, all they really cared about was the bill at the end!
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#48My confidence level on this is very low, because what do I know, but my emotional commitment to this take, having been a small business operator (in Hunt's field) for a couple decades now, is very high: This makes me very sad. Not that the deal fell through, because of course it did, but because of the process he undertook. Every part of it makes me sad. Any correction or rebuttal I get to this will make me happier,…
My reading is that the interested company, being the large amorphous blob that it is, decided in some separate cortex to change their business model while the due-diligence nitty gritty was underway, and Troy decided to cut out.
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#49Thank you for sharing... 43 sounds super painful, and super tricky to safely share! For others here: part of "companies are bought, not sold" is not just price difference, but whether the deal happens at all. Your startup needs to be solving something critical for an executive , eg, cuts red tape on internal politics, and enough so that they'll push the deal through because they need it. Good signal is inbound, but n…
"good signal is inbound" - mhm yep definitely english
From having legit inbound interest, you still need to find an executive champion on the acquirer's side who'll spend months pushing through the lawyers, politics, etc, and ideally, has done it before. Not easy. They may not be the person who reached out to you, but they are the one(s) you need to identify, make the bet on, convince, and iterate with as issues arise. If they're senior enough, they can make it Just Happen.
Maybe the perspective here is selling a business is the ultimate big & messy & relationship-heavy enterprise sales process. The process described in the post sounds like the numbers approach of SaaS (outbound reachouts to BD people -> a few conversations -> sell), but not with the messy human parts of enterprise. -- For example, it's unusual to bring in someone like KPMG due to deal size and risks around disintermediating the owner from the buyer during relationship building. (Individual advisors here are more normal for slightly bigger deals, and they'd have more skin in the game & involvement than a big firm.) -- As another, was DefCon time hanging out with the CEO or #2 of the company and the champions?
Not easy! The advice I got here is 90-99% of these convs fail, so it's useful to be wary & understand.
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#50You cannot sell something and keep it at the same time. That's not what selling is. It's good to see governments taking interest at this, I'm happy about paid plans. To keep HIBP under his original vision and for his to enjoy his lifestyle, renting would be the ideal solution. Not selling.