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Re: Update on grade strike

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You can still give them feedback. Damn, you should , regardless of grades.

Part of feedback is the grade.

The least useful one. Edit: Here's an opinion about that: https://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-...

Re: Update on grade strike

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Not starving or being homeless are great motivators. But yeah, why didn't they just get $250k FAANG jobs like the other 300 million Americans?

I don’t think those people had a binary choice between starving and a Ph.D. program.

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Re: Update on grade strike

#43
post #16

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Not starving or being homeless are great motivators. But yeah, why didn't they just get $250k FAANG jobs like the other 300 million Americans?

I don’t think those people had a binary choice between starving and a Ph.D. program.

Wanting to have your cake and eat it too is no great sin. In fact, it's what everyone, everywhere in modern society is trying to do. You want a job you enjoy, and that pays well. That seems like something worth fighting for. Just what you're doing eight hours a day is a very large amount of your lifetime.

Re: Update on grade strike

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> The students were not hurt They’re not getting genuine feedback on their work.

You can still give them feedback. Damn, you should , regardless of grades.

UCSC is a bit strange.

At first, they did not give out grades at all. There was only a written evaluation that the professor did for each student at the end of the quarter. Eventually, in the mid 1980s or so, other schools demanded that UCSC give out a grade in addition, so they they could compare Slugs to other students when admitting for post-secondary education. When I send my official transcript over, it's ~75 pages long, not just one page. It's chock-full of detailed personal information about my efforts in Psych-101, Intro to Jazz, etc (or, rather, the total lack of effort, in my case).

Re: Update on grade strike

#45

What's the objective argument against raising wages? It seems like they're willing to pay extra money but not via a wage increase?

This article may help you understand the whole grad student racket better. https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/how-why-gove...

Thanks. Makes things clear what's going on. Does this have a HN discussion thread?

Re: Update on grade strike

#46
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I find it ironic that on the same page where the University is detailing how badly they intend to treat the graduate students, they also have a link to make a gift to the University. If I were in a position to make a significant gift, I would be more inclined to make it to the graduate students (e.g. through a strike fund, or other means).

A follow up to my previous comment:

I graduated from the University of California at San Diego more than 45 years ago. I graduated with honors, and I was proud to be a UCSD graduate. After I started working, I made (modest) contributions to UCSD's scholarship funds. I stopped doing that after Janet Napolitano was named president of the University of California.

It makes me sad that the University of California seems to be determined to join the Ivy League schools in becoming a hedge fund with a minor side business in education.

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#47
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Yes. A lot of donations to schools are earmarked for specific things like libraries and sports complexes bearing the donor’s name. The university is then forced to hire all kinds of staff to run and maintain these buildings, lest they ruin their reputation by allowing the fancy buildings to fall into disrepair. Donations that are earmarked to help students are in the form of scholarships and bursaries. To be honest,…

Can’t a school refuse a donation if it comes with undesirable conditions like earmarks for unneeded buildings?

Fancy buildings are a marketing tool for schools, even if they're unneeded. Schools would rather raise tuition and compete for ever-wealthier students than refuse a shiny new building.

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Yes. A lot of donations to schools are earmarked for specific things like libraries and sports complexes bearing the donor’s name. The university is then forced to hire all kinds of staff to run and maintain these buildings, lest they ruin their reputation by allowing the fancy buildings to fall into disrepair. Donations that are earmarked to help students are in the form of scholarships and bursaries. To be honest,…

>The university is then forced to hire all kinds of staff to run and maintain these buildings, lest they ruin their reputation by allowing the fancy buildings to fall into disrepair. I talked with one of my professors at Iowa State about this topic. He said back in the day, donors only needed to pay the cost of the building and then the university would get hit with tons of maintenance and utility expenses. For some…

That's a prudent policy for a state school. I'm not sure private schools work the same way.

Re: Update on grade strike

#49
post #44
post #21

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You can still give them feedback. Damn, you should , regardless of grades.

UCSC is a bit strange. At first, they did not give out grades at all. There was only a written evaluation that the professor did for each student at the end of the quarter. Eventually, in the mid 1980s or so, other schools demanded that UCSC give out a grade in addition, so they they could compare Slugs to other students when admitting for post-secondary education. When I send my official transcript over, it's ~75 pa…

The former system is ideal.

Re: Update on grade strike

#50
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UCSC is a bit strange. At first, they did not give out grades at all. There was only a written evaluation that the professor did for each student at the end of the quarter. Eventually, in the mid 1980s or so, other schools demanded that UCSC give out a grade in addition, so they they could compare Slugs to other students when admitting for post-secondary education. When I send my official transcript over, it's ~75 pa…

The former system is ideal.

Could you elaborate that?
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