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Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by oblio »

mc32 wrote: post #22
ptah wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i think they take their lesson from industry experience of microsoft embrace and extend strategy to take open standards and lock users into their proprietary extensions. as an example do you not remember IE? EDIT: because of microsoft decades long behaviour, they have good reason to be wary

Yes... but their whole spiel was that they were the anti-MS. But now they are becoming a more insidious version of the MS they railed against.

I don't get why you're being downvoted. They're just out-microsofting Microsoft :-)

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by Ericson2314 »

lowdose wrote: post #6

Healthy check and balance Microsoft is performing. Strategically this has been a master move, not paying for the engineering costs while profiting from labor fruits. It is admirable for a company to admit the technology of the main competitor is superior and the only way forward is improving their output. Sets a great example for everybody.

Um, More like Google embraced extended exstinguished the original gangster! Microsoft would have been much better off being Mozilla's patron than capitulating to Google.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by hknd »

Santosh83 wrote: post #14

If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…

These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards.

Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere.

Then there is the Chrome marketing team which has to goal (OKR) to increase the reach of Chrome. They might still support the open web, but their goal is to get more users using chrome.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by oblio »

TsomArp wrote: post #17
jmisavage wrote: post #3

They're probably just user agent sniffing for non-Chrome browsers. I see this plenty when using Firefox or Safari. That said I wonder if all the State and DoJ investigations about anti-competitive behavior will force Google to stop promoting their own browser on their properties.

I don't get why promoting your product would be an anti-competitive behavior. Anti-competitive behavior would be not letting Edge users use google or gmail.

It's anti competitive for the same reason auditing companies are not allowed to have consulting arms or if they do, they should not both work for the same customer at the same time. Channel 1 (auditing) vs channel 2 (consulting). At least in theory.

There's a conflict of interest at the heart of the issue.

Google offers a service which is supposed to be neutral (search) and then on top of that it also sells another (ads) which is at odds with search. Good search results should bring the best result but ads are a way to bypass that with cash.

Microsoft had the same problem with Windows (level playing field) + Microsoft made apps on top of Windows (which didn't want a level playing field).

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ignoramous »

oblio wrote: post #39
thaumasiotes wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

> Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Ironically, it seems Google did just that to the detriment of Mozilla. Browser Wars are such shit-shows.

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Post by callmeal »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

>The "oops" have begun...

Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by sf_rob »

Ciantic wrote: post #4

Back when Google Chrome came out I switched from Firefox to Google Chrome because the scrolling felt better and more responsive. Microsoft Edge with Chromium engine has better scrolling in my opinion: it is relative to size of window. If I have smaller window it scrolls less. I switched to Microsoft Edge. It's about the product for me, although I have turned all the knobs to prevent trackers etc.

I agree. While I'm primarily a Firefox user, Edge Beta is the best experience on my Windows machine. I'm surprised that it seems faster than Chrome when they're utilizing the same rendering engine (probably the built-in tracker blocking?).
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