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Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by _-___________-_ »

s_dev wrote: post #29
_-___________-_ wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a source? All information I'm able to find says that it applies to EU & EEA residents, with no mention of citizenship being relevant. Edited to add: https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/edpb/files/files/file1/edpb_gui... (it's not even residency that is key - just being present in the EU+EEA)

Here is the official source -- you aren't exactly providing many sources yourself beyond repeating what you've "seen": https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...

It took a while to find a primary source, but there is a good set of guidelines laying out how the regulations should be interpreted here: https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/edpb/files/files/file1/edpb_gui...

They are very clear - the GDPR protections apply to those that are "in the Union", and the guidelines clarify that citizenship (and, in fact, legal residency) are irrelevant. One must simply be present in the territory that the regulation applies to (which is EU+EEA). Being a citizen of a EU country and being outside the union, the GDPR protections would not apply to you. Being a citizen of a third country and being inside the union, they would.

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by bonzini »

playpause wrote: post #25
zweep wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you that two FAANGs implement GDPR compliance for everyone because they didn’t want to risk getting a user’s EU status wrong.

Which two, and do you have a source?

If I'd have to guess, the two that do less or no advertising and thus benefit less from your data...

(EDIT: That would indeed be Apple and Netflix, as hinted by another comment).

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by _-___________-_ »

_-___________-_ wrote: post #13
tehlike wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure if this entirely true. My understanding was it was both citizens and residents.

GDPR applies to EU & EEA residents.

A fairly readable summary of the territorial scope of GDPR: https://edpb.europa.eu/sites/edpb/files/files/file1/edpb_gui...

In fact, it's not even legal residency that matters. You must simply be present in the territory that the regulations apply to (EU+EEA). If you're not, then the protections don't apply to you, regardless of your citizenship.

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by bilbo0s »

playpause wrote: post #25
zweep wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you that two FAANGs implement GDPR compliance for everyone because they didn’t want to risk getting a user’s EU status wrong.

Which two, and do you have a source?

Pardon my cynicism if I think it's likely Apple and Netflix.

And they probably do that for everyone only because it doesn't eat into the main profit generators in their business models. Not many marketers paying Netflix to advertise their new natural soap line to targeted prospects I'd imagine.

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by dilutedh2o »

rconti wrote: post #34
ckastner wrote: post #20

The optics of this might look bad, but I cannot really fault Google for this move (and I frequently fault Google). They're facing a dilemma of regulatory uncertainty, and this move resolves this dilemma for them (at least, they seem to believe that). Anyone who has ever dealt with powerful regulatory agencies will probably agree that this resolution is the right move for the company, a move important enough that eati…

Pro-Brexiteers have often cited stronger bilateral ties, such as those with the US, as an advantage of Brexit. And of course, post-Brexit, Britain will be ever more reliant on the willingness of countries such as the US to cut deals with them. As an independent negotiator in these new deals, Britain will have less power to push back over silly things like data privacy; and as a member of Five Eyes anyway, they're all…

That sounds really interesting.

Would you mind sharing a resource to learn more about how the UK spies on US citizens?

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by martius »

shadowgovt wrote: post #21
Symbiote wrote: post #19

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It seems very early to be making changes like this. Google must really benefit somehow from the change, otherwise they could leave it until much later in the year, and see what (if any) changes Parliament makes to privacy and data protection law in the UK.

GDPR compliance is expensive; every account not in the regime saves Google costs.

In which way?

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by [deleted] »

briandear wrote: post #23
s_dev wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR applies to EU citizens globally. It's just not enforced globally. The company will have to be large enough to have a presense (or future presense) in the EU for there to be an tangible impact. >Declaring yourself Irish doesn't make you fall under GDPR protection if you live outside the EU. I'm a DPO and this is absolutely incorrect.

> GDPR applies to EU citizens globally. It's just not enforced globally. Do American speed limits apply to American drivers in Europe? Or do the European speed limits apply? Essentially you are absolutely incorrect. The EU has no legal jurisdiction outside of EU borders.

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Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by truckerbill »

dilutedh2o wrote: post #45
rconti wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro-Brexiteers have often cited stronger bilateral ties, such as those with the US, as an advantage of Brexit. And of course, post-Brexit, Britain will be ever more reliant on the willingness of countries such as the US to cut deals with them. As an independent negotiator in these new deals, Britain will have less power to push back over silly things like data privacy; and as a member of Five Eyes anyway, they're all…

That sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing a resource to learn more about how the UK spies on US citizens?

The snowden leaks touch on it

Re: Google plans to move UK users' accounts outside EU jurisdiction

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Post by andrewjrhill »

dilutedh2o wrote: post #45
rconti wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro-Brexiteers have often cited stronger bilateral ties, such as those with the US, as an advantage of Brexit. And of course, post-Brexit, Britain will be ever more reliant on the willingness of countries such as the US to cut deals with them. As an independent negotiator in these new deals, Britain will have less power to push back over silly things like data privacy; and as a member of Five Eyes anyway, they're all…

That sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing a resource to learn more about how the UK spies on US citizens?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
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