Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was done to deceive ARIN which is why it is being considered wire fraud.
if shell companies are fraud, much of the economy is in trouble
Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
So, where does that leave advertising? The entire purpose of advertising is to get somebody to spend money on a product they otherwise wouldn't have.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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Not just financial advantage, all deceit where you intend to gain from it is fraud. Money just makes it more obvious what the gain was. Are there grey areas? Sure. In particular there's a passive sort of deceit in which you let people assume things that you know aren't true, to your benefit. Mostly the law holds that it's their mistake for not asking, and anyway they'd usually be far too embarrassed to make a fuss if…
> all deceit where you intend to gain from it is fraud Except if you're a magician, of course!
The goal is to create a scenario in which the audience knows they were tricked but can't figure out how. So you don't lie and say this is a random audience member when it's actually an employee "stooge". But when you're giving the genuinely random audience member a "free choice" of cards you don't need to explicitly tell the audience that, duh, as a magician you're not giving anybody a truly "free choice" of anything actually and you knew immediately which card they picked even without seeing it. That sort of thing.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
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Could you please remove mine under article 17 of the GDPR? :D
Hmm, GDPR thought experiment: I make a database of public IPv4s by running a couple for-loops and subtracting private spaces. Can an EU guy who owns an IPv4 request to have it removed?
Well, my understanding is any data is ‘personal data’ if you can use it to identify a user, can be combined to identify a user or can be aggregated to an identified user.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, GDPR thought experiment: I make a database of public IPv4s by running a couple for-loops and subtracting private spaces. Can an EU guy who owns an IPv4 request to have it removed?
Regarding GDPR, I think IPs are considered “personal data” if you can identify the user from it. Well, my understanding is any data is ‘personal data’ if you can use it to identify a user, can be combined to identify a user or can be aggregated to an identified user.
For example, list of addresses themselves are not personal data. Everybody has access to addresses, you can get them at the post office for example when you try to look up code for the address.
But a list of addresses of creditors (ie. address + some non-identifying context information) is personal data.
I do not know GDPR well but given just that example I would say there is some more nuance.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not just financial advantage, all deceit where you intend to gain from it is fraud. Money just makes it more obvious what the gain was. Are there grey areas? Sure. In particular there's a passive sort of deceit in which you let people assume things that you know aren't true, to your benefit. Mostly the law holds that it's their mistake for not asking, and anyway they'd usually be far too embarrassed to make a fuss if…
> I don't see that here, the plan was explicitly to trick the RIR into giving them resources they were otherwise not entitled to. Those resources were for everybody to share, they're stealing from you and it's appropriate to prosecute for fraud. The last time I looked which was a couple of years ago there was nothing in the ARIN TOS that said "you can only control one entity that applies for resources". Joe Schmoe En…
I presume the specific problem will have been when Joe Schmoe lied on the paperwork for IPv4 delegation to Joe Shmoe Fishing Services not mentioning that Joe Schmoe, LLC already has also applied, as has Joe Schmoe Enterprises, Inc. I'm not in ARIN's region, so I haven't seen their paperwork, but analogous paperwork in RIPE for example asks you about Related Entities because you're not entitled to duplicate resources just by asking more than once.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
No? The use of deception to obtain something of value that would not otherwise be given to you is the literal, legal definition of fraud?
So, where does that leave advertising? The entire purpose of advertising is to get somebody to spend money on a product they otherwise wouldn't have.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems like a bit of an over reach no? I've looked up wire fraud in the US and it seems to come with some properly serious penalties: Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication i…
Those are maximums.
Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#49Re: Prosecutors allege Micfo obtained 800k IPv4 addresses illegally
#50\\$Download the video-audio file, put on headphones and turn up the volume. You will hear these people committing these crimes. Audio was broadcast into my apartment by outdated surveillance equipment illegally embedded within my walls. This very same technology was being used to broadcast me to the internet for five years without my consent. I own this footage. Please use this to prosecute all found within. Note:: I am obliviously speaking throughout the video, and it can be quite loud at times relative to the desired content. The are dozens more links, including these, that can be found in this 163 page PDF doc, last updated Feb15'20:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...
All members of the "Illuminati"; "....an underground organization of homosexuals and child rapists..." (page 26: Barack Obama with Jack Dorsey).
President Donald Trump:
Demands $4 billion dollar bribe here at 10:18am on the 4Jan2019:
3JanCh3_900-1100.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Grdr8xF2psKNsuYlEnl9dIRV-77...
3JanCh2_900-1100.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LUmVygl_q0XVs8h2cWr8jZl-24f...
3JanCh4_1000-1100.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpP1pJbJakBgg-y-MWNozTxp3wJ...
President Trump rapes and kills a 12 boys, including f5 boys in a 'who can rape 5 boys to death the fastest' game:
14JanCh3_600.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ufPmglde9Mep0m6xYMJ9c4TWTjj...
14JanCh2_600-700.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/136qLJdEn8eCs9tI4QtIxl4opW_L...
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi:
-Accepts a $3 billion dollar bribe at 10:33am on the 17Jan2019 to ensure Asian boys can get through the border at "Monterrey" undocumented to be raped:
17JanCh3_949-1100.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eodHu4o5Cm3xEWhDqipSuTj-M1C...
17JanCh4_1017-1100.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1y-nWEQbempkVZSz230j9wTyduZN...
Speaker Nancy Pelosi also "preps" boys with First Lady Melania Trump, defined as in she performs oral sex on the boys’ penis and anus, just as a child rapist like Henry Porter would, while trying to remove fecal matter from the boy prior to handing them over to be raped and then subsequently murdered, for Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, who apparently decides he would rather just have ten billion dollars instead. US Attorney for Western New York James Kennedy rapes boys also:
12JanCh3_1533-1638.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AgFkDsbPbI4b5Xd3Wbz2EVNNx25...
Attorney General William Barr with FBI Deputy Director Christopher Wray raped and killed boys for billions in bribes in Buffalo, New York on the 17thJan 2019 7:50 am:
18JanCh4_700.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UIdZkS5ZVksZdHYsnHk2t5losi0...
18JanCh2_700.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DFK8IAxm5pQVqZv9L518nfgP7_o...
18JanCh3_725-.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DG5ej59Ic8RT9UhbyMdwT0BDcKI...
Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan raped & killed boys on 5Jan2019 17:39 for billions in bribes:
5JanCh3_1600-1800.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghgmNrQvJ8WfJ2TsDVx1ruDU36h...
5JanCh2_1721-1818 mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eSlD4otX4KZqWXboQM92Mu-6J02...
Leaders of the "impeachment" effort Jerrold Nadler, Robert Mueller, and also Adam Schiff all rape and kill boys between 11:20pm to 1:10am:
14JanCh4_2300-0000.mp3 Nadler starts at about twenty mins in.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuvv2Zmbw5Jw7onbRI2hCZ0M8FU...
14JanCh2_2304-2359mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nofp5xF-aXXcCSgQVwj30KlzE9W...
Mueller at 12:25am, and Schiff starts 12:55-ish:
15JanCh2_000-100.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsmHfguwBuo2PbavJ1WYyhiML62...
15JanCh2_100-200.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZnWRnBryalNQu2yJmfJUdS2pA_...
15JanCh4_000-100.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZEDJR6jb6ARpcNnWJTokBUKb2J2...
15JanCh4_100-200.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/173aYWvWHH4VGht1h_2nM0IMdw74...
Complete Media Protection: Lester Holt, of NBC Nightly News, apparently a member of the Illuminati since the 1980's, along with ABC Nightly News lead anchor David Muir, stop over to the Porter studio in Buffalo, New York on 14thJan2019 at 5:00 am. They both rape and kill about two dozen boys by 6:00 am. Muir starts around 5:15 am, then Holt about 538 am. Multi-billionaire Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corp and also Fox Corporation, takes his turn after Holt. Video links below:
14JanCh3_500-601.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i7NKepeyG_FfdQRrM7KsnFOZOOX...
14JanCh2_530-600.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NZzgN5ilI7ToroU5cfqMaL4o2u1...
Adding to the media protection and reason this is not picked up by the media, CBS and Viacom owner Sumner Redstone with Leslie Moonves rape and kill boys following the President.
14JanCh3_700iavi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10XDw6x3ldnnQiq7oIjpdYVENyXa...
14JanCh2_700-800.avi
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NS_e6AzEZ05wnfljkGMETGU5CWY...
162pg PDF [last updated on: February|15|2020]: UIYOopjiwncoewcwe.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S7T_kDv48E40eHzus6CTXHxcm0W...