Surprised how many people in SF make less than me (Atlanta) and have more experience. I thought it was basically unlivable there unless you’re pulling in big money.
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When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.
Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
Many people certainly seem to think so. I’d be a little surprised myself if the answer was no. Anecdotally speaking, they certainly seem underrepresented, but I’m less sure about current pay disparity.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.
Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women.
The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job.
This is a common occurrence.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
Many people certainly seem to think so. I’d be a little surprised myself if the answer was no. Anecdotally speaking, they certainly seem underrepresented, but I’m less sure about current pay disparity.
Thanks for the info, I guess I should read more into it and educate myself.
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That is a very surprising interpretation to me. What made you think the author was thinking about anyone outside the US?
Not OP, but it’s kinda besides the point. Using Twitter for this makes it global by default.
It's not beside the point when the point is "he was trying to make non-americans feel bad".
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I feel that. Though I don’t have to live in a CA hellscape where half my paycheck has go to rent.
It’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape f…
> cost-of-living-adjusted salaries for big tech in SF, Seattle, and NYC are higher than anywhere else in the country
... if you do not have children.
Consider how much you would have to pay for a modest 2000 square feet house in SF or NYC.
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I feel that. Though I don’t have to live in a CA hellscape where half my paycheck has go to rent.
It’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape f…
> higher than anywhere else in the country.
Anywhere else in the world. For example, in London you’d probably pay at least 50% of your current rent, but only receive 25% of your current salary.
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In the US, the National Labor Relations Act expressly forbids employers from preventing employees from discussing wages. So it’s certainly not legal for a company to fire someone for their tweet, at least in the US.
Isn’t it true that you can be fired in the US without being given a reason? Incidentally, I’ve always thought this was one of the reasons US salaries are so high. Employees in the US are almost comparable to contractors in Europe (who are paid significantly more than permanent employees).
Yep https://www.seattletimes.com/explore/careers/can-you-get-fir...
And hmm, that's an interesting comparison. Contractors in the US are also paid significantly more than employees.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?
That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…
Do you have any evidence for this? Have you seen data covering hiring evals for many different candidates? Or is this just your own bias telling a story based on anecdotes and rumors?
I’m not saying this never happens, but it’s much easier to tell yourself that the reason you didn’t get a job was because of some unfair factor beyond your control than to admit maybe you just failed to meet the bar.
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#50I would say this list must very unreliable, I have seen one guy whom I can confirm exaggerated his salary because he likes a lot of attention and speaks at events, and another one who stated their monthly salary instead of annual, both from Nairobi.