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RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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The phone system seems pretty absurd. Just the fact that we can't trust originating phone numbers seems odd. There's lots of good ideas to go around, and there's so much in internet technology that could be applied to the phone system, but I'd love to read an article on why its hard to update the phone system.

There are many reasons: -You forward your office phone to your cell phone. You want the number of the original person calling to show up on your cell phone. This means that the office phone system needs to spoof the original caller's phone number. This could be a local call, an overseas call, etc. This is not a simple update issue. How does the telco know that this is a legitimate spoof? Further, if this is blocked a…

If I want to call someone using a different caller ID through twilio, twilio makes me verify ownership of that number.

But of course, then twilio is only doing this to keep scammers off their own platform. Since the telcos don't validate anything, there are plenty of less scrupulous providers that don't validate anything.

So all the telcos need to do is require anyone providing access to their networks to validate their caller ID numbers.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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It’s not right, that a sensible comment like yours is being downvoted. Spoofing is real, and not easy to track down depending on the resources you have at your disposal. And Indian law enforcement is certainly behind the western world in that regard. Besides, it’s not like these scammers are paying taxes to the Indian government, so they don’t have any national incentive to facilitate scammers. Tax compliance in coun…

> Spoofing is real, and not easy to track down depending on the resources you have at your disposal Mmm, but some Canadian or American legal entity is bridging these onto the phone network, and needs to be doing its due diligence better.

Is that entity not a common carrier?

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How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers? The tariff perhaps could be as small as 2 or 10 cents per call to make these operations unprofitable. I'm sure that the telecom operators in the foreign country could easily track down (or already know precisely where to find) the call centers. Once the fraud falls below a threshold the…

> How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers?

The calls are coming from Canada. These guys are buying Voip and dialing over the net.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers? The tariff perhaps could be as small as 2 or 10 cents per call to make these operations unprofitable. I'm sure that the telecom operators in the foreign country could easily track down (or already know precisely where to find) the call centers. Once the fraud falls below a threshold the…

With VOIP location is pretty much irrelevant. Unless the scam is getting people to call premium numbers this is much harder than you think.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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> Spoofing is real, and not easy to track down depending on the resources you have at your disposal Mmm, but some Canadian or American legal entity is bridging these onto the phone network, and needs to be doing its due diligence better.

The problem is that the way the phone system is currently set up, it is not possible to do this due diligence. That is what's being worked on.

This is mostly true, but it would be worked on a lot harder if the companies involved had a financial incentive to work on it. Currently the scammers pay their bills and the incentives work the other way - it's best for them to say they are working on it but drag their feet.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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I get 2-3 calls like these every week. It's getting really bad.

I use Hiya, with "Scam and fraud calls" set to "Block (send to voicemail)" in Call Settings. It's very effective in my experience: it's rare that a scammer makes it through, and I haven't noticed any false positives.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers? The tariff perhaps could be as small as 2 or 10 cents per call to make these operations unprofitable. I'm sure that the telecom operators in the foreign country could easily track down (or already know precisely where to find) the call centers. Once the fraud falls below a threshold the…

The phone system seems pretty absurd. Just the fact that we can't trust originating phone numbers seems odd. There's lots of good ideas to go around, and there's so much in internet technology that could be applied to the phone system, but I'd love to read an article on why its hard to update the phone system.

The internet has been slowly getting better but remember that in general we can’t trust the ”from” field of an email message either. No need to even spoof it as it’s literally whatever the sender wants to put there, by design.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers? The tariff perhaps could be as small as 2 or 10 cents per call to make these operations unprofitable. I'm sure that the telecom operators in the foreign country could easily track down (or already know precisely where to find) the call centers. Once the fraud falls below a threshold the…

Things coming over lines no longer have a country. How do you determine which call are international? All of them are local and operated by foreign call center over the internet. They can easily acquire a VPN and the internet traffic will be local as well. How do you even track all that internet traffic? Are you prepared to give all your secret to government to track these things?

If connection between two nodes in the network is possible to establish, tracking it down is possible as well - giving the willing intermediaries. The fines or tariffs structure may help ensure they will be willing.

It is the same problem as with finance transactions wrt money laundering really, which is a solved problem. The only cover bad actors have is finding a sovereign state willing to cooperate.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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How about putting a small tariff on every phone call originating from countries that do not shut down these fraudulent call centers? The tariff perhaps could be as small as 2 or 10 cents per call to make these operations unprofitable. I'm sure that the telecom operators in the foreign country could easily track down (or already know precisely where to find) the call centers. Once the fraud falls below a threshold the…

Most unsollicited phone calls I receive are not from another country.

Re: RCMP arrest 'money mules' tied to scam calls from India

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I get 2-3 calls like these every week. It's getting really bad.

Its doubly frustrating for me because I'm on a kidney transplant list and there is a small change I might get a call out of the blue even thought there is still some wait time. So I end up answering the phone most of the time...

Pick up the phone and stay silent until they speak. It should also help reduce incidence of scam calls.
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