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Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by Jack000 »

keiferski wrote: post #29
Jack000 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This could be the great vowel shift of our era. In 100 years we might have dedicated phonemes for emoji, making a terse language similar to Chinese. Or as smartphones become ubiquitous and children are exposed to these graphemes earlier and earlier, we might skip vocalization altogether and just beam pictograms directly to the visual cortex via AR. exciting times!

The idea that emojis will replace actual language reminds of Newspeak from 1984. A few hundred (or thousand) smiley faces can't replace the complexity of human emotions.

I rather think that some emotions are best expressed as emoji. Emotions are a lot more linked to images than written characters.

I mean, how do you exactly express the nuances of ಠ_ಠ

Re: Turtleocracy

#43

Post by thrower123 »

siphium wrote: post #7
aloisdg wrote: post #2

A bit off topic, but is there a name for this trend to put emoji everywhere? I have some trouble to read like that. There is a kind of Madeleine de Proust though, it feel like children book: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d1/e5/8cd1e583de4c89bf09c4275b2...

I think it's a marketing trend. The emojis seem like a soft universal language to help people who don't speak English grok broken google translations. Hoping to hear the name for this trend as it's a very interesting one indeed. Done well it seems like this is definitely the new wave as we continue to dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator. Done poorly, well I've done this and will just tell you the re…

Emojis are just awful, because people assume that they convey universal meaning, but the minute you drill into different subcultures, you get into euphemism and subtext that renders them mutually unintelligible. You basically need a set of Rosetta Stones to decipher what the emojis in Twitter profiles are supposed to convey, and you have to first determine which culture you are looking at. Does the pine tree emoji mean weed, or does it mean perennial? Or the grandmother that sends around eggplant emojis when she is talking about parmigiana, completely oblivious to its other meanings...

Re: Turtleocracy

#44

Post by foo_barington3 »

This reads as coming from the disgruntled perspective of a 'turtle' who resents the strong opinions of 'rabbits' and the lack of experimentalism of 'birds'. Little consideration is given to the value of the other animals except as an inferior contrast to the turtles. An optimal solution would not be a 'Turtleocracy' (tyranny of turtles) but a balanced ecosystem where different strengths are given their due, and no group has tyranny over another.

Re: Turtleocracy

#45

Post by codezero »

setr wrote: post #17
codezero wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The language component hasn’t occurred to me, but suddenly makes sense. I once supported a customer for whom Google Translate wasn’t helping much, so we resorted to a combination of screenshots, boxes, arrows, and emojis and it ended well :)

However in most usages, there is no actual language benefit -- I doubt the animal emojis will actually help understanding of this article for any non-english speaker. In fact, I doubt you could really express anything beyond the simplest concepts with emojis in a language-agnostic fashion. Actually I'll go a step further: the idea of emoji as a language agnostic writing system is dumb. It's equivalent to pictograms,…

Bummer you're being downvoted, though I don't totally agree with what you said - I think it makes sense.

I think the emojis in theory could aid in machine translation - that is - if the machine translation has some ambiguity, maybe the emoji could help, then again, I bet animal names and the concepts that an emoji can convey are the easy part of translation, so I guess I've convinced myself you probably are right.

With that said, I do think that they could still act as visual aids and assist memory/retention, at least for some folks, though I'll admit at this point I'm trying to create a justification for the sake of doing it.

Re: Turtleocracy

#46

Post by codezero »

myself248 wrote: post #40
setr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

However in most usages, there is no actual language benefit -- I doubt the animal emojis will actually help understanding of this article for any non-english speaker. In fact, I doubt you could really express anything beyond the simplest concepts with emojis in a language-agnostic fashion. Actually I'll go a step further: the idea of emoji as a language agnostic writing system is dumb. It's equivalent to pictograms,…

And the more specific those meanings get, the more divorced they become from the way a new observer interprets the plain symbol. Picard and Dathon, at El-Adrel.

Wow, thanks for that trip down memory lane!

For anyone else who needs a reminder, have a read: https://www.startrek.com/article/picard-and-dathon-at-el-adr...

Re: Turtleocracy

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Post by aidenn0 »

foo_barington3 wrote: post #44

This reads as coming from the disgruntled perspective of a 'turtle' who resents the strong opinions of 'rabbits' and the lack of experimentalism of 'birds'. Little consideration is given to the value of the other animals except as an inferior contrast to the turtles. An optimal solution would not be a 'Turtleocracy' (tyranny of turtles) but a balanced ecosystem where different strengths are given their due, and no gr…

From the first linked page[1]:

> Most organizations should not be turtleocracies. It depends on what your organization wants to do, and whether it's never been done before.

> 1. When you must do things well, in the standard way, you need experts. You can put them together into an expert bureaucracy, a consultancy, etc.

> 2. When most things can go poorly, but you hope some things work out, you can use people with ideas and energy without needing turtles. You can put them together into a do-ocracy or startup ecosystem.

> 3. But, when you must do things well, in a way that's never been done before, you need "takeless" people, without strong ideas, who will slowly experiment over years. You can put them together into a Turtleocracy.

1: https://www.notion.so/Is-Turtleocracy-Right-for-Your-Organiz...

Re: Turtleocracy

#50

Post by smacktoward »

thrower123 wrote: post #43
siphium wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a marketing trend. The emojis seem like a soft universal language to help people who don't speak English grok broken google translations. Hoping to hear the name for this trend as it's a very interesting one indeed. Done well it seems like this is definitely the new wave as we continue to dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator. Done poorly, well I've done this and will just tell you the re…

Emojis are just awful, because people assume that they convey universal meaning, but the minute you drill into different subcultures, you get into euphemism and subtext that renders them mutually unintelligible. You basically need a set of Rosetta Stones to decipher what the emojis in Twitter profiles are supposed to convey, and you have to first determine which culture you are looking at. Does the pine tree emoji me…

> people assume that [emojis] convey universal meaning, but the minute you drill into different subcultures, you get into euphemism and subtext that renders them mutually unintelligible

The same thing could be said about words.

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