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Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by Dylan16807 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #31
Dylan16807 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't make sense. Paint and notepad provide basic functionality and are less than a megabyte (and the size could be optimized more). Making them optional provides zero real-world benefit, with the downside that now some systems now have no way to edit a text file.

Aren’t we talking about WordPad, not NotePad? I don’t think editing images is basic functionality for most users!

It's wordpad and notepad.

The stuff paint does is basic functionality. Sometimes you need to crop or resize an image or draw a box.

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by Dylan16807 »

binarycrusader wrote: post #33
Dylan16807 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't make sense. Paint and notepad provide basic functionality and are less than a megabyte (and the size could be optimized more). Making them optional provides zero real-world benefit, with the downside that now some systems now have no way to edit a text file.

They’re not especially when you include localization and 32 and 64 bit versions needed for app compat.

If localization is that bulky, then installing a pile of locales should be the optional feature.

Why does app compat need two separate executables? And compatibility isn't a reason to remove two versions instead of one...

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by leeoniya »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #26
Santosh83 wrote: post #21

They're really pushing the Paint3D app, the Mixed Reality Viewer and the Photos app to take over Paint's roles and beyond. As for Wordpad they probably will deprecate and disable to gently nudge people to online Office 365 cloud subscriptions. Another reason I suppose is to decouple these apps from Windows system so their replacements can be updated through the store instead of waiting for OS feature updates.

Paint3D is an atrocious, poorly-designed app. Tools are all over the place, familiar shortcuts have disappeared, and the UI looks like it was designed for the Windows 8 vision of Windows-on-a-tablet. No thanks. WIN+R, mspaint, ENTER--every time.

> WIN+R, mspaint, ENTER--every time.

i prefer https://www.getpaint.net/

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by ptrott2017 »

ISL wrote: post #3
sys_64738 wrote: post #2

For Windows do you really need any other apps than a default browser and WSL installed by default?

Last I checked, I couldn't run any X apps under WSL.

As ac said - use something like X410 for xserver in windows and in wsl set: export DISPLAY=:0

for other approaches see:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/993225/whats-the-easiest-way...

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by gambiting »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #28
nathanaldensr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paint3D is an atrocious, poorly-designed app. Tools are all over the place, familiar shortcuts have disappeared, and the UI looks like it was designed for the Windows 8 vision of Windows-on-a-tablet. No thanks. WIN+R, mspaint, ENTER--every time.

Use rufus to burn a linux iso and install over the top. No more windows. Really need something? Run it in wine. Break away from Microsofts abusive ecosystem.

Visual Studio doesn't run in Wine as far as I know.

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by NikolaNovak »

alerighi wrote: post #11
divyanka1916 wrote: post #8

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They're also turning Notepad into an optional feature

I don't get why they still provide you with the stupid notepad. Just throw it away and preinstall Visual Studio Code as a text editor, Notepad is useless.

1. On any work computer in enterprise setting, you can't install what you want. Not having Notepad install would be crippling

2. When I just want to copy or edit a piece of text, or remove its formatting, Notepad pops up in imperceptible amount of time (I have it bound to shortcut). No other alternative I've tried does that

3. World exists beyond Hacker News:). My wife, dad, father in law, mother in law, sister, etc - NONE of them would want to install another software just to write down a few notes. Certainly not an IDE... :S

Point being:

1. I have Sublime, Notepad++, Beyond Compare, and MS Word installed; they all have their uses. Notepad still does as well.

2. Let us all take the time to think beyond our own specific context & use case, and world will become a better place :)

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by smacktoward »

leeoniya wrote: post #43
nathanaldensr wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paint3D is an atrocious, poorly-designed app. Tools are all over the place, familiar shortcuts have disappeared, and the UI looks like it was designed for the Windows 8 vision of Windows-on-a-tablet. No thanks. WIN+R, mspaint, ENTER--every time.

> WIN+R, mspaint, ENTER--every time. i prefer https://www.getpaint.net/

I would prefer https://www.getpaint.net, if that web site weren't littered with misleading ad units designed to trick people who want to download the Paint.NET software into actually downloading adware.

As it stands, I can't in good conscience tell people to go to that site. Even if the actual Paint.NET software is good, the risk is just too high they'll end up installing something nasty.

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by Dylan16807 »

binarycrusader wrote: post #34
ChrisSD wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about having a minimal install. It merely removes links to paint and Wordpad. > This change does not remove Paint or WordPad from Windows 10, but you can now disable both apps and also remove traces of these apps from the Start Menu and other locations. I suspect it's done because they consider Paint and Wordpad to be deprecated and want to help discourage use.

This isn't about having a minimal install. It merely removes links to paint and Wordpad. The article is inaccurate. Removing these will actually remove files from the system and not just links. I suspect it's done because they consider Paint and Wordpad to be deprecated and want to help discourage use. This is definitely not the reason.

> Removing these will actually remove files from the system and not just links.

It removes a copy. There's still another one in the installation archive. If you have your system set to CompactOS mode, which you would presumably do if you were worried about space, I think it really would just be removing a link.

> This is definitely not the reason.

Definitely? Even though they completely removed mspaint.exe from some of the preview builds a while back?

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by signal11 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #19
ChrisSD wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't about having a minimal install. It merely removes links to paint and Wordpad. > This change does not remove Paint or WordPad from Windows 10, but you can now disable both apps and also remove traces of these apps from the Start Menu and other locations. I suspect it's done because they consider Paint and Wordpad to be deprecated and want to help discourage use.

If only Paint 3D wasn't a buggy convoluted mess. Paint, to me, is like Notepad. A very low level tool to accomplish basic image manipulation, like Notepad is a low level tool to accomplish basic text manipulation. I never see either tool going away. I have better tools installed (e.g. Paint.Net) but still go to Paint for basic image manipulation/cropping, because it is fast/simple.

I do wish mspaint.exe was at least as good as Paint.NET or iOS’s photo editor.

Paint’s feature are an embarrassment and compare poorly to other consumer platforms.

Re: Windows 10 to offer Paint and WordPad as optional features

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nolok wrote: post #7
sys_64738 wrote: post #2

For Windows do you really need any other apps than a default browser and WSL installed by default?

Notepad, calculator,... Definitely. I'm almost surprised they removed paint to optional, although WordPad makes a lot of sense.

I use wordpad to open text files with LF line breaks -- notepad chokes on the missing CR.
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