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Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#41

all this tells me is that firefox is scared of IE. which I guess is a good thing.

They have nothing to worry about. Take this from someone who is going bald at a faster rate because I needed to assist in porting an chrome-only app over to support IE9. FF, Safari, Opera were no problem, money was all spent on IE

If they have nothing to worry about then why the constant sniping? Shouldn't they be focusing on the real competition...that is Chrome and/or Safari?

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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I'm still not sure what the point of all this is. Any developer worth their salt already knows that IE9 is more or less a small step forward but still far short of what it needs to be and of what FF/Chrome have accomplished ages ago. Any non-technical user won't be reading this article and won't give a damn about IE vs. FF vs. Chrome, as long as their internets work. Why keep up the pissing match? Who are they talkin…

Internet Explorer 9 Release Candidate was released and FF wanted to make a point that regardless of what M$ says, IE still sucks.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that Microsoft has been terrible at this since 1999. They consistently do their own thing instead of going with standards, and they are always behind the curve. They seem to be trying to catch up with standards but have been unable to make any sort of impressive progress. To be honest, if they've put five years into it and are still so far behind, they need to fire some people. Does anyone actually consi…

Exactly... you, and every other serious developer. That IE is garbage is obvious to anybody who's done web development for more than a month. So why is Mozilla even bothering with these technical articles? IE lost to developers years ago, and IE9 won't change that. I guess I'm just confused as to why this article, and the other similar ones from this past week, are even news.

Not news, but pressure and the fine art of telling the truth. It's to keep MS in check, transparent. In my opinion.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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I'm still not sure what the point of all this is. Any developer worth their salt already knows that IE9 is more or less a small step forward but still far short of what it needs to be and of what FF/Chrome have accomplished ages ago. Any non-technical user won't be reading this article and won't give a damn about IE vs. FF vs. Chrome, as long as their internets work. Why keep up the pissing match? Who are they talkin…

The point is that people listening to microsoft's PR will think that IE 9 is as modern as the next browser and that is clearly not true. As a web developer I want to use the new technologies and as long as there is a major share of IE users I just can't.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#45

all this tells me is that firefox is scared of IE. which I guess is a good thing.

I think it's exactly the opposite. The FF team has come out and set the agenda: that IE is not compliant. Microsoft came back with a ham-fisted "nuh-uh, we are not!", which is playing directly into the narrative Mozilla wants.

Terrible PR management on behalf of MS, here.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#46

I really don't get why Mozilla posted this, other then to say to the 'tech' crowd "we're better then IE" but they already know that. If, Mozilla really want to impress the 'tech' crowd they should show how they compare to Chrome because, mainstream users ONLY care about being able to view the websites they want to visit which is why most of them stick to Internet Explorer which came installed on their PC's (despite n…

Microsoft is pitching IE 9 as, basically, "Hey guys, we finally caught up! We now offer an awesome HTML5alicious browsing experience, so y'all can stop switching to Firefox and come back over here!" This is Mozilla's return salvo. It's about keeping their message out there.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#47

Well, at least IE9 is somewhat up to date. HTML5 is still a working draft that no-one implements fully. Everyone implements a certain subset of it and I don't quite see how one subset is supposed to be superior to another subset as long as their is no one who implements it fully. Gee, at least Microsoft is making an effort! And by the way, an uncluttered, fast-starting browser that implements a somewhat smaller subse…

There is a common subset that most browsers have supported for a long time. I think the benefit of supporting that subset is pretty obvious, and I don't see how you can make the argument that a subset of a subset is better than the larger subset.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

#48
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seeing all this energy wasted trying to convince people firefox 4 is better than ie 9 sort of solidifies my belief that chrome reigns supreme

IE 9 is a valid contender, especially outside of the tech crowd. It's also about to be released, so it makes sense for marketing to focus on it.

I've been using it for the last week or so and its a huge step forward, if you are an IE8 user, 9 is huge step forward...

Its actually good enough to never have to worry about moving to a different browser (If its what you are using).

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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post #44
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I'm still not sure what the point of all this is. Any developer worth their salt already knows that IE9 is more or less a small step forward but still far short of what it needs to be and of what FF/Chrome have accomplished ages ago. Any non-technical user won't be reading this article and won't give a damn about IE vs. FF vs. Chrome, as long as their internets work. Why keep up the pissing match? Who are they talkin…

The point is that people listening to microsoft's PR will think that IE 9 is as modern as the next browser and that is clearly not true. As a web developer I want to use the new technologies and as long as there is a major share of IE users I just can't.

Even if IE9 were in every way superior to Chrome 11 this would still be the case, and it wouldn't really be any the fault of MSFT.

Re: IE9 vs. Firefox 4 (done in canvas)

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I really don't get why Mozilla posted this, other then to say to the 'tech' crowd "we're better then IE" but they already know that. If, Mozilla really want to impress the 'tech' crowd they should show how they compare to Chrome because, mainstream users ONLY care about being able to view the websites they want to visit which is why most of them stick to Internet Explorer which came installed on their PC's (despite n…

Microsoft is pitching IE 9 as, basically, "Hey guys, we finally caught up! We now offer an awesome HTML5alicious browsing experience, so y'all can stop switching to Firefox and come back over here!" This is Mozilla's return salvo. It's about keeping their message out there.

The way it is appearing is that Mozilla are scared of IE especially when you consider where the product has evolved from IE6.

Additionally, it needs to be said that whilst IE9 may be lacking some HTML5 and CSS3 features that Firefox 4 supports that HTML5 standards won't be completed until 2014, and Mircosoft will have its IE product fully supporting HTML5 by then.

I'm a firefox user but I still believe that Mozilla had no reason to do this, other than that they are realizing that IE has become a decent competitor again and they can't just pump out a slightly better browser to convince the crowd to convert. They've made themselves look a little stupid especially with regards to standards which won't be completed until 2014, and you can probably expect Google Chrome team to release a Chrome Vs. FF4 comparing its standards etc.

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