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Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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> while fathers are given 2.2 months until the child turns two. However, on average only one in four of them take what they are given. The current plans now talk only of parental leave. Is it conceivable that fathers actually don't want to spend that much time at home and that the Finland Government is strong-handing them into doing it? One frustration I have in this topic is that it is seldom mentioned that any pare…

Well, they could just not take the days, then.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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You'd rather pay people to be with your kids than be with your kids? Wow Yeah I'd guess you'd be held back from being a crap dad

I would rather pay for someone else to do what I consider dreck work (changings, feedings, monitoring while they sleep) while still making time each evening to spend with them. Research has shown this to be optimal (time spent with your children later in life closer to adolescent years matters more than their younger years). https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jomf.12170

> Research has shown this to be optimal.

Hey, you can tell yourself whatever you want.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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Would you prefer paying because they would do a better job? Or because your kids would prefer it? Or because you would make more money? It's up to you of course, I'm just curious.

All of the above.

It's paid leave...

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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All of the above.

Did you know this before you got them? I would rather be with my kids than working.

No, after. I want them to thrive, but they're not at an age yet where I can fully appreciate time with them.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#45

But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

You'd rather pay people to be with your kids than be with your kids? Wow Yeah I'd guess you'd be held back from being a crap dad

It's a paid leave, so you'd be losing money by paying someone to keep your kids so that you can work and earn the exact same money you'd earn by staying home.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#46
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Germany has this and is awesome. 14 months paid leave to distribute among the two parents.

14 months or weeks?

14 months, but it is a little bit more complicated than what OP implies.

The mother gets 14 weeks (6 weeks before due date, 8 after) that is the "proper" leave and is mandatory for the mother.

After that, one or both parents can choose to take a leave where the government pays you 2/3 of your net salary, capped at 2000 EUR. If only one parent takes then it is limited to 12 month and it is extend to 14 months in case both parents decided to take it.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#47

The discussion surrounding parental leave is one of the reasons I like contracting. I get paid hourly and get to set my own working conditions and benefits. If I ever get a baby, I can take as much leave as I want to make sure my wife and baby are taken care of. I don't have to lobby the government or beg my employer in order to get time off. And to answer the question that is going to be asked: "But then you don't g…

It’s the difference between you making good choices individually or the government forcing “good” choices that might not be best for you as an individual.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#48
Wow impressive. In Canada as a Dad I can get, I think, 6 months of paid leave. Although the pay is covered by Employment Insurance and it only covers so much (like 55% of your salary up to $600/wk)

I ended up just taking four weeks vacation for my first kid and it made all the difference. I strongly believe that giving flexible and generous vacation time to all parents/guardians will have a positive impact on society. The challenge is that these impacts are hard to measure with a spreadsheet.

Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

#49

But will they force Dads to take it? As a Dad who had two kids, I would much rather pay for childcare than take paternity leave. Would someone like me be held back artificially to promote equality? EDIT: Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Happy to dote when they start to turn into people.

> Not a freak, don't care for the infant stage. Oh that's much better. As we all know, infants don't need their parents for adequate cognitive development. /s

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Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums

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14 months or weeks?

It's months. Amazing for employees and terrifying for employers. Someone I know took a new job somewhere, only to let them know a week or so after being there that his wife was about to have their child and he was going to be gone for the next 14 months. They were not going to be able to fire him without repercussions. He was not required to let them know during the interview.

The company is not the one paying for that, so it is not as bad for the company as you are saying. Chill.
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