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Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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I’ve thought the punishment of Ross was extremely too harsh: life in prison without the possibility of parole. I know the government paints this picture of him as a major drug smuggler, but I think we in the tech world are smarter than that and realize creating a platform is different than selling. After all, are EBay and Amazon liable for all the counterfeit things on their page? Should Bezos go to jail? I also thin…

Wired did an awful job at covering the case. Total sensationalism. That link you sent is a 6-year-old hit-piece. Nothing more. This case generated sensationalism and media like Wired and ArsTechnica ran with it, at the expense of a young man awaiting trial. They destroyed his public image and relayed false and inaccurate information. It's sad to see people still sharing those superficial and sensationalized articles…

I am not going to trust the veracity of any story hosted at a site called freeross.org. They have no objectivity.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wired did an awful job at covering the case. Total sensationalism. That link you sent is a 6-year-old hit-piece. Nothing more. This case generated sensationalism and media like Wired and ArsTechnica ran with it, at the expense of a young man awaiting trial. They destroyed his public image and relayed false and inaccurate information. It's sad to see people still sharing those superficial and sensationalized articles…

I am not going to trust the veracity of any story hosted at a site called freeross.org. They have no objectivity.

Of course, it isn't objective, and you can't resent the operator of that site for that. freeross is operated by his close family, including his mother.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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> Imagine the worst torture you can think of that doesn’t leave the victim disabled, something you can’t deny is cruel: burning, flogging — take your pick. If the victims themselves would prefer this torture to imprisonment, the inescapable conclusion is that prison is worse, even more cruel. I, and every prisoner I have asked, would prefer any amount of pain and cruelty, for a limited duration, to the years and decades we’re forced to spend here—spirits crushed, hope abandoned, relegated to irrelevance.

People will say they choose all sorts of theoretical punishments that have no chance of happening. In reality, I doubt very many people would actually go through with it if actually given the chance.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Bezos tried to have six people killed, then yeah, he should be in jail.

Except Ross never did. False allegations used to smear him.

Except we have evidence he did, that was submitted in trial and was not challenged by his lawyers.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht. It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too. Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again. Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering mon…

Furthermore, talking about the attempted murder in a vacuum is giving a pass to the similar violence that governments themselves do. Silk Road had to be vertically integrated for dispute resolution, whereas most businesses get to outsource their violence to the police.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht. It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too. Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again. Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering mon…

Most cases are closed on circumstantial evidence.

Weird to see the same podcast that hosts freeross information as also hosting bitcoin podcasts.

Adrian Crenshaw the security researcher has a good defcon talk on how ross went down for SR. Don't post your tech problems for an illegal service on stackoverflow!

https://youtu.be/eQ2OZKitRwc?t=2136

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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He paid off hit men to murder other people. Fuck him.

No, he didn't. The prosecutor "addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire occurred." These charges were dismissed with prejudice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...

I think you are misreading that. They didn't "occur", because the hits weren't carried out. At least one, if not all the hits were contracted to an undercover FBI agent, which is how they caught him.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

A lifetime of imprisonment for selling drugs. That's beyond cruel. Meanwhile CEOs are making billions and getting a slap on the wrist, if anything. Ross doesn't deserve this. He's right. Now if he was convicted of murder or something similar, it would be different. But he wasn't.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Just in case any of you are wondering who Ross is ... He created the Silk Road, a popular online exchange for illegal drugs, and prosecutors alleged that he paid $730K to try to kill six people. (He was not, however, charged with attempted murder. Instead, he was charged and convicted of money laundering and drug offenses.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht EDIT: I just want to make completely clear that I…

These 7-year-old allegations relied solely on anonymous chats NEVER proven to have been authored by Ulbricht. It's well known now there were multiple people behind the DPR accounts AND 2 corrupt agents (now in prison) had admin access too. Never proven, never prosecuted and dismissed "with prejudice" by the govt, meaning they can never be used against him again. Ross was NOT accused of selling drugs or laundering mon…

You're casting vague FUD and not going into the details. The murders-for-hire are absolutely the most critical part of this whole case.

>No one deserves this, even if they have to here for the sake of others’ safety. Certainly, the many non-violent drug offenders growing old in here don’t. Pain does not heal pain. A lost soul is not redeemed in a cage.

I agree with this part of Ulbricht's letter here. If not for those murders (which he believed were successfully carried out), he would be a non-violent drug offender, and not deserving of anywhere near a life sentence. But working your way up into a grandiose Walter White-style megalomaniac paying people to kill your foes? That's imperialistic tyrant behavior, not freedom fighter behavior.

He was very likely the only DPR (or at least the only significant one), and, in all likelihood, the chat logs are authentic. No, they weren't proven in court, due to the corrupt agents you mentioned (the defense would cast aspersions just as you did here), but if you look at the facts, they're very likely to be real. Also, the judge explicitly permitted the murder-for-hire evidence to be shown in court, which contributed to the judge's sentencing deccision.

Just to cover one of the six murders: Mark Force didn't have admin access when Ulbricht courted him to murder Curtis Green; Force was just a regular SR user at that point. (He did previously have illicit admin access via Green's account, but this account was disabled by an admin a while before the murder-for-hire conversations occurred.)

That entire encounter and conversation was documented in real-time by law enforcement who had access to Force's account, so Force couldn't have just doctored them. Yes, there are some other circumstances here, like Force (unknowingly to law enforcement at the moment) using Green's account to steal Bitcoins before all of this, which is what caused Ulbricht to later order Green's murder, but he definitely wasn't entrapped or tricked into murdering him. Ulbricht was the one who suggested the murder and requested it, and he paid him $80,000 upon seeing staged photos of what appeared to be Green's bloody corpse. These Bitcoin transactions are obviously all public.

Read the chat logs ordering Green's and FriendlyChemist's (and later FriendlyChemist's associates) murders and tell me what you think:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqepaijrm8lsqsm/260502700-Ulbricht... - Pages 31 - 51

https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-bos...

You can see Ulbricht deliberating the decision with his "advisor", Variety Jones / Cimon, before finally concluding he had to die.

No, I didn't give a rock-solid defense of why I think they're authentic, but I don't have the time at the moment. If this thread is still active, I may give a more lengthy analysis later as to why I think they're legitimate.

I believe he's basically a modern mini-Pablo Escobar. I do think drugs should be legalized - specifically to prevent megalomaniacs like Ulbricht from gaining immense, malignant power and ambition. I hope to see the day when all drugs are legal for recreational use while he remains rotting in prison, aged 85.

Re: Who Deserves This? (2018)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Bezos tried to have six people killed, then yeah, he should be in jail.

Except Ross never did. False allegations used to smear him.

A document on his computer saying that he paid a supposed hitman and they ran with the cash, and chatlogs of him talking to the hitman, and an "immutable public ledger" with a record of the payment whose time and amount matches up with the note on the laptop are all ridiculous government smears. And there's nothing at all sociopathic about lying to your parents all the way until their bankruptcy in asserting your innocence.
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