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Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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Do we really need a deep conspiracy theory angle to explain the deprecation of a horribly lagging OS (Symbian) and a next-gen OS whose development was severely lagging even behind WP7? The board brought on Elop to do precisely what he did - any ire should be directed squarely at them. Say what you will about RIMM, at least they aren't striking at the prospect of QNX replacing their OS.

The partnership is still suspicious; any reasonable person would tell you Nokia should have picked Android instead. There's no competitive advantage picking up WP7, unless microsoft wanted to subsidize every nokia handset

> unless microsoft wanted to subsidize every nokia handset

I wouldn't discard that possibility. Phone makers have to pay to call their Android sets Android and to have the Gmail, Google Maps and other Google properties on their phones. Maybe Microsoft is giving them a boatload of money and saying "spend this money to make WP7 suck less, for we can't to it ourselves" on the condition they sell only WP7 phones.

We don't know what's in the package. This could give Nokia time enough so it can be carved into smaller sellable pieces before the whole thing collapses.

The whole thing would collapse anyway without an aggressive course correction. MeeGo isn't going anywhere and Symbian is doomed. They could have gone Android, but I guess the board thinks the company is doomed no matter what is done and that WP7 is what brings it more time.

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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Probably because QNX is a lot more mature. MeeGo seemed like a side project/hobby.

I'm comparing QNX more to WP7 (both OSes being brought in from the outside when internal development couldn't keep up with the competition).

The thing is QNX alone was never the solution to RIM's problem, it's just a powerful OS. RIM did take a good look at itself and use other purchases and in house talent to build a pretty amazing UI on top of QNX.

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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"I guess majority of his current net worth is in MSFT" That would mean that his net worth is only around 4-5 million and I doubt that is the case... What reitzensteinm means is that his stake in Microsoft is probably only a small part of his net worth. I would also guess that he owns significantly more (from a number_of_shares*share_price point of view) of Nokia than of Microsoft. That is why "his financial future is…

his holdings of NOK are reportedly 0 so far, which makes sense - he's been on the job for less than a year so 1st vesting cliff haven't been reached yet.

Yes, but after 1 year cliff, it would/should be much more than $3M.

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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Given that he has been a Microsoft veteran, it's hardly surprising that (1) he's a big shareholder, and (2) whatever decision he makes as Nokia chief, his position as one of the largest individual shareholders of Microsoft will come into scrutiny. I think it's naive to say that he chose to go down the Microsoft route because he is one of its largest individual shareholders. It is equally as likely that Elop would hav…

Oh come on, no sane person is arguing that Elop went the Microsoft route _because_ he's a big shareholder. The reason people bring up the issue of the stock he owns is to point out that not only his decisions at Nokia are mostly consequence free for him personally, but he also stands to benefit handsomely form this decision that many argue is very bad for Nokia and very good for Microsoft.

The scrutiny in this case comes directly from the fact that Elop's actions at Nokia are very much Microsoft centric, and arguably Microsoft serving.

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man? I have not seen 1 insightful post since this FUD has been spreading. It's amazing how much petty hatred is out there towards Microsoft... I don't even think this has anything to do with Microsoft itself, but rather wit…

Seriously? This is a clear case of conflict of interest. The scary thing is that you might be right about

  'So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to  do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man'

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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Not sure if i would call him a Microsoft veteran. He worked at Microsoft only between 2008-2010[1]. [1] http://www.linkedin.com/pub/stephen-elop/1/3a0/b31

he seems to be nothing more than a hustler, quickly jumping jobs when opportunity presents itself: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2212657

Why all the hate?

/edit: Would you like people to talk about you like this just because you switched jobs after 2 years time?

Re: Stephen Elop is the 7th biggest individual shareholder of Microsoft

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So now Nokia's decision to replace Symbian has nothing to do with a careful analysis of the situation, but everything to do with keeping $3 million dollars worth of Microsoft stock on the up for 1 man? I have not seen 1 insightful post since this FUD has been spreading. It's amazing how much petty hatred is out there towards Microsoft... I don't even think this has anything to do with Microsoft itself, but rather wit…

Petty hatred? Microsoft made a lot of real enemies on the way up. Microsoft drove a lot of people out of business. Microsoft funded the massive expansion of H1B visas in the late 1990s by hiring Harris Miller to form the ITAA to bribe Congress, Clinton and Bush. We got outsourcing and Microsoft having a special subsidy that cost developers lots. [ source : Four Indian IT outsourcers topped the 2008 list of companies obtaining H-1B visas - http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/Indian-Outsourcing-Fi... ]. Microsoft acted like Walmart for 15 years : destroying their American competition and suppliers. Now that they're looking for buddies. They're scraping the bottom of the barrel for alliances: SCO, Novell and now Nokia. Sleep with Redmond and you die. This may save Nokia from bankruptcy in the short run and enrich some executives, but it spells doom in the long run. The fear is well justified.
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