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What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by tempsy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #38
tempsy wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A major negative consequence for restaurant workers as a result of food delivery apps is that they are busier than ever because they are now fulfilling orders all day from these apps in addition to orders from people that walk in. I went to Popeyes last week and there’s just a stream of receipts from online orders constantly printing, and they have to fulfill all those while dealing with everyone that comes in. And o…

> And of course they aren’t getting paid any more to do maybe 3-4x the work they did before these apps got popular. Restaurants have always adjusted staffing based on order volume; so while the restaurant may have 3× the order flow, the work per employee probably hasn't increased that much.

no it appears they are working way more.

Anytime I go to a place that does heavy app delivery I remark to myself how much more frenetic all the workers seem now. I mean it was only in last 3 years this has become as widespread as it is now. It’s actually a bit depressing.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by standardUser »

wrycoder wrote: post #7

I would guess that DoorDash is very negative for restaurants and restaurant waitstaff, also.

Increased revenue is usually a problem you (a business) want to have. If that revenue isn't trickling down to the workers, well, that is pretty much America in a nutshell.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by tempsy »

seibelj wrote: post #37
tempsy wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A major negative consequence for restaurant workers as a result of food delivery apps is that they are busier than ever because they are now fulfilling orders all day from these apps in addition to orders from people that walk in. I went to Popeyes last week and there’s just a stream of receipts from online orders constantly printing, and they have to fulfill all those while dealing with everyone that comes in. And o…

Aren’t minimum wage raises responsible for this? If restaurants are forced to pay $15 an hour minimum, how can it be profitable without them being more productive?

No

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by [deleted] »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #32
marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

People don't realize it is a net negative and just think about the $3 they'll be getting

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Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by egypturnash »

marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

Elsewhere in the article:

"The only reason I do it at all is because the few orders where customers tip high enough to make it worth it keep me going on some of them." - Lee, DoorDash worker in Hendersonville, TN

Also of course they may have not done the math yet, or they may be doing this to try and fill in the gaps between their other two shitty minimum-wage jobs that never give them enough hours to be an actual full-time employee with benefits.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by chrisseaton »

tempsy wrote: post #35
marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday

Two hours of reading, snoozing, thinking, hobbies, what's wrong with that? I used to quite appreciate the time and space of my long commute.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by foogazi »

tempsy wrote: post #35
marcell wrote: post #30

> “These orders don’t pay for our expenses or our time. We actually lose money when we take those orders. If I pick up an order that is 10 miles away and deliver it 6 miles I’m traveling 16 miles for a $3 order — so I have lost money. I’m in the negative when I account for gas, wear and tear, and other expenses. Not to mention my time.” This begs an obvious question: why are people choosing to do this if it pays $0/h…

You could ask the same about white collar workers voluntarily spending 2hrs a day commuting to get to and from work everyday

Heh, I used to do that - if you asked me I think it worked out ok.

Lived in a bigger place, but had the bad commute.

Re: What DoorDash pays, after expenses, and what’s happening with tips

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Post by swozey »

tempsy wrote: post #41
dragonwriter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And of course they aren’t getting paid any more to do maybe 3-4x the work they did before these apps got popular. Restaurants have always adjusted staffing based on order volume; so while the restaurant may have 3× the order flow, the work per employee probably hasn't increased that much.

no it appears they are working way more. Anytime I go to a place that does heavy app delivery I remark to myself how much more frenetic all the workers seem now. I mean it was only in last 3 years this has become as widespread as it is now. It’s actually a bit depressing.

The Popeyes by me has a 25 or so minute drive thru line, I've gone twice for some reason recently. I watch as people wait in line, eventually park and walk to the door and realize the doors are locked. They don't even have patrons inside the restaurant. I never considered it being due to deliveries. Both times I went was during rain and right after work. The chicken sandwich drama is over.

Those workers are slammed, I can see them from the window. I assumed it was just fried chicken taking forever.

I guess the deliveries are waiting in the drive thru line. I see a lot of people not order.

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