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Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by rdtsc »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4
stopads wrote: post #2

It's pretty wild that he was there since 2002, he's practically a founder.

He specifies that he was there over 20 years, prior to the company being incorporated, and only joined full-time in 2002. That being said: David Drummond is a terrible person[0], who only has been there this long because of Larry Page and Sergey Brin's protection, because they are terrible people too[1][2]. The way Google's highest executives have treated women is disgusting and inexcusable. And while Drummond may no…

Oh wow.

> David would go for months or even years at a time completely ignoring my pleas to see his son — not even so much as a text to us, despite living about a mile away.

I can see not having the desire to be with her and break up the relationship, but abandoning his child and not seeing them for years at a time is downright evil.

It's so strange to hear how Google touts itself to be at the forefront of inclusivity and tolerance, and here their executive acting this way for decades and nobody does anything.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by unapologetic »

ProAm wrote: post #23
jacquesm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly did not read the linked article.

Yes, this is a woman who entered a relationship and it didnt work out. Ive definitely read it and this is not a #metoo story. He didnt force himself up on, he didnt take advantage of her, he didnt threaten her, he didnt demand she date him, it's about dating someone at work when there are clear rules around it. No one said she had to leave the department, but that one of them would have to leave. It's a tragically sa…

This situation is fucked up on multiple levels.

You don't punish the subordinate. Given his level, he should have been out.

Instead they transferred her from legal to sales and her performance tanked because it was a job she was in no way qualified to do.

He got her to quit (and sign a bunch of forms) promising to support her, then bailed.

He refused child support and after she sued, he started using threats against her kid to fuck with her.

This is a woman who got into a relationship, then realized that not only was the guy a complete psycho but the company had his back because he's the important one.

The rot at google is very real. Top down too.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

#43

Post by ProAm »

jacquesm wrote: post #37
ProAm wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is a woman who entered a relationship and it didnt work out. Ive definitely read it and this is not a #metoo story. He didnt force himself up on, he didnt take advantage of her, he didnt threaten her, he didnt demand she date him, it's about dating someone at work when there are clear rules around it. No one said she had to leave the department, but that one of them would have to leave. It's a tragically sa…

Well, then maybe you read the story but did not understand it. That's fine with me, but I did read the story and that is not my takeaway at all. For starters, there is a clear abuse of power here with one party being the senior person at the company suggesting that things will be 'ok' when clearly there was a plan all along to create a situation of asymmetry and dependency, followed up with a lot of very mean and man…

An abuse of power? They had an affair, how was that a plan to create a situation of asymmetry and dependency? How did she not know this was a bad idea all along? Did she think a person willing to cheat on a spouse was going to be a good person down the road?

> David and I began an affair shortly after that night and we were together for years.

She made a bad choice in life. She had an affair with a married man that worked in her department, when she knew such a relationship was against company policy. No one said she had to leave the department, only that one of them had to.

Everything that happened after, while terribly cruel, is not anything you dont see frequently when a relationship falls apart that involves children. It's very sad story but I am not victim blaming anyone, they are both at fault. But they both willingly went into this situation with their eyes open knowing full well what the consequences could be.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by ProAm »

unapologetic wrote: post #40
ProAm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They knew the relationship was against company policy from the get go, what did they think was going happen? Two people made a poor decision and have to live with the consequences? > aware that our relationship was in violation of Google’s new policy which went from “discouraging” direct-reporting-line relationships to outright banning them.

He forced the consequences onto her. None of these men will ever actually face consequences. They are all obscenely wealthy and well connected.

What did he force onto her?

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

#45

Post by throwaway490194 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4
stopads wrote: post #2

It's pretty wild that he was there since 2002, he's practically a founder.

He specifies that he was there over 20 years, prior to the company being incorporated, and only joined full-time in 2002. That being said: David Drummond is a terrible person[0], who only has been there this long because of Larry Page and Sergey Brin's protection, because they are terrible people too[1][2]. The way Google's highest executives have treated women is disgusting and inexcusable. And while Drummond may no…

Yes they are terrible people too. But "the way they have treated women"? ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS? The women who participated in these extra-marital affairs are every bit as evil!

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by unapologetic »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly did not read the linked article.

I did but I don't take her comments after the disappointment at face value. How dare a married, billionaire cheater not settle down with her but continue to sleep with other women? She was an adult that entered in a consenting relationship with a married man (I can guess why), she admitted so much. Google policy or not, is irrelevant since both sides knew the deal.

It's not irrelevant, it's a blatant abuse of power.

This guy is clearly a pretty sick sort of predator.

> How dare a married, billionaire cheater not settle down with her but continue to sleep with other women?

He basically got her fired and then bailed on her and their son. He refused to pay child support despite being a millionaire and is basically in an abusive relationship with her still.

It's disgusting. It's the sort of behaviour that should ruin your personal and professional life completely.

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by ProAm »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #29
ProAm wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They knew the relationship was against company policy from the get go, what did they think was going happen? Two people made a poor decision and have to live with the consequences? > aware that our relationship was in violation of Google’s new policy which went from “discouraging” direct-reporting-line relationships to outright banning them.

Both people knew it was wrong, but Larry and Sergey's best buddy got promoted to become one of the most powerful executives on the planet and paid hundreds of millions of dollars, and the woman got pushed out of her job and left to support their kid herself.

She was forced out because it was against company policy. She wasnt forced out of google, but to a different department. And she voluntarily quit google, she was never fired. It's a sad story, but it's just adults making their own decisions that don't work out.

> so I quit Google, signing whatever documents they required because likewise, I wanted to protect him

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4
stopads wrote: post #2

It's pretty wild that he was there since 2002, he's practically a founder.

He specifies that he was there over 20 years, prior to the company being incorporated, and only joined full-time in 2002. That being said: David Drummond is a terrible person[0], who only has been there this long because of Larry Page and Sergey Brin's protection, because they are terrible people too[1][2]. The way Google's highest executives have treated women is disgusting and inexcusable. And while Drummond may no…

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

#50

Post by ProAm »

unapologetic wrote: post #42
ProAm wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is a woman who entered a relationship and it didnt work out. Ive definitely read it and this is not a #metoo story. He didnt force himself up on, he didnt take advantage of her, he didnt threaten her, he didnt demand she date him, it's about dating someone at work when there are clear rules around it. No one said she had to leave the department, but that one of them would have to leave. It's a tragically sa…

This situation is fucked up on multiple levels. You don't punish the subordinate. Given his level, he should have been out. Instead they transferred her from legal to sales and her performance tanked because it was a job she was in no way qualified to do. He got her to quit (and sign a bunch of forms) promising to support her, then bailed. He refused child support and after she sued, he started using threats against…

He did not get her to quit, she made that choice herself because she wanted to protect him. She made that choice. Yes he is a terrible person, yes possibly psycho and this story sucks but no one forced anything.

> so I quit Google, signing whatever documents they required because likewise, I wanted to protect him

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