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Why are some things darker when wet?

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Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the water drops on the surface of the skin act as mini lens.

I am unconvinced by this argument. After all, the same light flux is hitting your body. Only thing a lens would do is make it focus in different spots than it otherwise would, but then you'd get spots with burns and spots without burns. This is not what I see happening at all.

If the drops or any layer of water were staying still you'd probably get some patters, but they don't.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

That doesn’t look right at all to me. Why the photon is then re-emitted in exactly the same direction that it would have if it was reflected rather than a random direction?

Conservation of momentum, I think

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#43

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

I don't think this is quite the photoelectric effect. The atoms absorb photons and re-emit photons--they aren't emitting electrons.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

How does absorption and reemission preserve phase information?

What about total internal reflection? Why does the light travel through the entire body of a glass prism without issue and then suddenly get absorbed and reemitted at the surface? Glass (and water) are transparent specifically because they don't absorb photons in the visible spectrum, so how is it that they absorb and reemit?

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#45

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

How does absorption and reemission preserve phase information? What about total internal reflection? Why does the light travel through the entire body of a glass prism without issue and then suddenly get absorbed and reemitted at the surface? Glass (and water) are transparent specifically because they don't absorb photons in the visible spectrum, so how is it that they absorb and reemit?

IANAP but from my limited understanding (mostly reading Richard Feynman) light beam = stream of photons, they don't travel through entire body of glass prism without issue, they get absorbed and re emmitted along the way too (Which is what explains the different speed of light in different mediums)

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

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> Once you spill water on the shirt, that part of the shirt is now covered with a thin film of water. So, any light which has to reflect off that part of the shirt has to go through water. > Before water is spilt, 100% of the light travelling towards that part of the shirt will hit the surface. But now only a fraction of the light moving towards it will hit its surface. This is because the light now has a layer of wa…

Yes, wouldn't that only apply to soaking wet cloth? If it's just a little wet it still looks darker but not shiny, and there is no specific angle you can look at it and see the light source reflected. So it appears to still be diffuse in that state. Where does the light go?

It goes through, doesn't it? I can't find hard numbers, but basically Wet Clothes Don't Stop Sunburn. The UV rays don't bounce at all, unless it's off the skin. It mostly all turns to heat eventually (AFAIK).

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#47

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

How does absorption and reemission preserve phase information? What about total internal reflection? Why does the light travel through the entire body of a glass prism without issue and then suddenly get absorbed and reemitted at the surface? Glass (and water) are transparent specifically because they don't absorb photons in the visible spectrum, so how is it that they absorb and reemit?

Because the electro-magnetic field polarization is preserved in many cases (specular). That doesn't mean there isn't a plasmon generated in between or that the sign of the electric field is maintained. What is interesting is that in the case of metalic (from low to high index of refraction) there is an inversion of the electric field. This does not happen at the reflection from a high index to low index (e.g. under water looking up to see total internal reflection the polarization remains the same). You can see this same effect bouncing water waves off of a concrete wall.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#48
On a related note, I find it fascinating that modern CGI cannot quite simulate wet fabric. I watched Frozen 2 and the rendering is absolutely breathtaking on most materials. Water, fabric, hair, etc. All impeccable.

But the minute fabric gets wet, it looks so unrealistic. It looks plastic-y or greasy. I can only assume this is an active area of research, but we’re clearly not there yet.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#49

This is a bit hand-wavey in its' description of light reflecting. One of the most mind blowing bits of physics I've ever learned is that photons do not actually "bounce" off of a surface like little balls. They are always absorbed and re-emitted. The actual photons that hit an object are not the same ones that eventually enter your eyes. The atoms in an object are stimulated by photons hitting them to then emit a new…

Having thought about it, I'm not sure if I agree. Light can reflect off of transparent crystals, which do not have the right electron energy levels for absorption (that's why they're transparent.) It's possible that the Feynman diagram of a reflection might involve the photon "going away and another one replacing it" (I don't know what the diagram looks like), but Feynman diagrams cannot be interpreted as sequences of events. Instead, they describe an instantaneous flow of amplitude between different quantum states. I would only go along with the absorption and re-emission interpretation if there was always a time delay between the two steps (which there cannot be if the mirror does not have any energy level deltas suitable for storing the energy).

The other side of the debate would be that if the mirror is moving towards or away from the light, the reflection will be Doppler-shifted to a higher or lower frequency. Does this mean that the reflected photons are not the same photons as the incident photons, or does it mean that the same photons have had their energy changed? I think there is no meaningful distinction because every two particles with the same name in quantum mechanics are identical anyway. There's no telling which are which. If I showed you a photon, then took it back and showed you another, you would never be able to tell whether I had opened the same box twice or if I had taken the old one out and captured a new one from my desk lamp.

Re: Why are some things darker when wet?

#50

>This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means that there is no way that you can channel the information about the surroundings into the person’s eye. This is not exactly accurate to my understanding. As carl Sagan once said "we are star stuff", and just like stars wherever there is a human to see - even in the "dark" - there is light. Take the image of the sun/sun rays, moon and eye from the article, its…

>> This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means that there is no way that you can channel the information about the surroundings into the person’s eye. > The issue is obviously humans have not evolved eyes that see "infrared" light like other animals, and similarly the visible light humans emit is below the intensity human eyes evolved to see. However, if human eyes were sensitive enough all humans would…

> It didn't say there was no way to channel the information about the surroundings into any photosensitive device.

No it specifically said

>"This is why you can’t see things in dark; no light means...".

Not sure how to make the distinction any simpler, maybe you can follow:

If there is no light, then it is dark (true) - thats what you claim is being said, but thats not what is said, what is said is

If it is dark, then there is no light (false) - any time you have been in the dark, there has always been light.

>Probably much like looking at a solid object embedded in colored but not opaque glass. The ability to see things inside other visible things is not foreign to the visible light spectrum.

Sure the non-imaginative approach is to say just superimpose 3 images on top of one another with each image having some transparency. And sure that may make sense for objects like bone inside the persons outer skin...but emitted heat is not a solid object inside another solid object, it neither embedded in the object (its emitted) nor solid.

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