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Post by mattchamb »

anderskaseorg wrote: post #36
ShorsHammer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> http:// no donkey in this race but how sure this is not you and your circumstances rather than the site itself? Living in certain countries my ISP used to inject all sort of nonsense into every unencrypted site they could. Anyone not using tls these days is intentionally exposing their readers to harm, which you seem to be experiencing. Personally I won't view such sites on principle and block them with https-every…

It’s not just them—the described paragraph is in the Google cache (search for xxx). https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhVEwm...

view the page source and there is a "position: absolute; left: -5294px; top: 0;" to hide the paragraph

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Post by arh68 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #5

This coming from the company that files patents like crazy and gives out t-shirts that say “patent heroes wanted”. Call me cynical but I feel like google is narrowly interested in open innovation when they are at risk for billions in fines, and definitely also supports openness in other ways, but still supports a lot of proprietary and closed source work. There are lots of business reasons to be closed source, but do…

I think we all deserve to hear Kent Walker reconcile his views with Google's "work" on asymmetrical number systems.

[0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/inventor-says-go...

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Post by commoner »

breakingcups wrote: post #38
chipperyman573 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Android? Isn't it fully open-source? I thought you could compile your own version and flash it onto a bootloader-unlocked phone

Google has systematically moved a lot of apps from AOSP to closed source Play Store equivalents. The AOSP apps are still available, but aren't maintained by Google anymore.

Ars Technica published a detailed story on this in 2018:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

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Post by tyingq »

pisky wrote: post #28
ethbro wrote: post #16

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Stopped updating it for a reason -- http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175

Has that site been hacked? When I use Chrome's simplified view there is a paragraph injected talking about and linking to live porn.

Wouldn't be surprising if it were hacked. The "geeklog" PHP cms has a pretty big list of CVEs. https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=...

Re: Google files opening Supreme Court brief in Oracle v. Google copyright lawsuit

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Post by gpm »

bjornsing wrote: post #42

If software interfaces can’t be copyrighted, how come CPU ISAs can...? Anybody know?

How come you assume they can be? My understanding is that they have generally been protected by patent but I'm open to being proven wrong (preferably by being shown a court case, but being shown big licensing agreements for copyright would also be interesting).

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Post by gpm »

zubairq wrote: post #31
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #5

This coming from the company that files patents like crazy and gives out t-shirts that say “patent heroes wanted”. Call me cynical but I feel like google is narrowly interested in open innovation when they are at risk for billions in fines, and definitely also supports openness in other ways, but still supports a lot of proprietary and closed source work. There are lots of business reasons to be closed source, but do…

On the one hand I agree that Google saying that we need Open interfaces is correct, but then I also know that most code within Google itself is closed source. Does anyone know if there is an Open Interface to Google Search?

In the sense being used in this article and court case, absolutely

https://www.google.com /search?hl=en&q=

Actually it's possible that they copied that interface from someone else, basically every search engine uses the same one, it's how your browser url bar works.

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Post by _0ffh »

rapnie wrote: post #35
bduerst wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone expects the Android OS to be a collection of entirely open source device drivers. Those proprietary drivers are specific to the myriad of hardware that the OEMs are running the OS on. You can still run Android on any hardware you have the drivers for, or emulate it in a virtual machine.

I agree. I was mostly refering to the last part of the quote where it mentions 'accessing Google services'.

Well, naturally, this is the cash cow part of Android. Google wouldn't want to make it easy to write an open replacement.
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