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Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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Only temperature rated to -4F degrees. I hope they can get that lower. Up to ~25 days a year are <0F in Chicago for instance.

We had some of problem trying Robosense lidars at very cold temperature. Didn't try our Ouster in such conditions to my knowledge. BUT most of the we got good results in temperature much colder than what the lidars were rated for. For the more sensitive lidars my lab developed a hacky warming apparatus using hand warmers :D

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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Anyone have a LIDAR (or similar) product suggestion? I'm getting ready to start a hobby project that involves scanning the interior surfaces of a house. Ideally the accuracy would be at least 1/16" (1.5mm), including any scan-stitching required because the sensor had to be moved around. I've seen a few promising products, but none stands out as a perfect match.

I've had some success with some of the off-the-shelf laser distance measurement modules, like the ones Bosch sell at big-box hardware stores:

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/laser-measur...

They have 1-2mm accuracy and quite good precision, particularly if your environment is stable (temperature, movement, lighting). These modules use an interferometry approach rather than time of flight to achieve their accuracy.

Several of them have a Bluetooth interface which you could reverse-engineer. The work then would be creating a turret to rotate the unit around a known centerpoint and take a bunch of samples. It'd be slow, but it works.

There are also a bunch of modules available on Alibaba for a few tens of dollars that have serial interfaces and seem to have similar performance - they often have 10s of Hz sample rates, so you could speed up scanning quite a lot. They exhibit similar accuracy to the boxed units I've bought, but require you to be comfortable with things like SPI and soldering.

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

#43

Anyone have a LIDAR (or similar) product suggestion? I'm getting ready to start a hobby project that involves scanning the interior surfaces of a house. Ideally the accuracy would be at least 1/16" (1.5mm), including any scan-stitching required because the sensor had to be moved around. I've seen a few promising products, but none stands out as a perfect match.

1.5 mm is really ambitious. This is close to metrology-level precision. I wouldn't look into sensors aimed at robotics/autonomous vehicles. Try Creaform, Riegl stuff, etc... Also what you're trying is far from new so maybe get acquainted with what other businesses are doing (e.g. https://www.bentley.com/en/products/brands/contextcapture).

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

#44

> Ouster’s engineers have paid to ensure every sensor stands up to the wear and tear IOW, no one is sure if it actually will

We do a tremendous amount of testing to ensure real-world reliability, and our customers' results bear that out. Full functional safety certification is slated for end of this year, which means it's already well underway.

We make a point of this because legacy spinning lidar is unreliable. But it's unreliable because of the analog design, not because spinning is inherently unreliable.

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

#45
Am surprised no one yet cited Elon saying "this is fool's errand" because of price, complexity, etc. I think LIDAR will improve significantly the safety of vehicles (autonomous or not) because it can definitely see better and deeper, even in damning weather conditions (rain, fog, haze).

Alas, the price of these devices has to come down at least one order of magnitude. Maybe even two. Still, I am really thankful that other companies (since Tesla has no interest in it) are considering and further developing LIDAR.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it more or less a forgone conclusion that a good LiDAR sensor would not be affected by potentially hundreds of other similar or identical ones shining their beams across the same region?

For FMCW, there should be no interference at all for any number of sensors (there is more information in the link in my original comment). For pulsed lidar, it's an issue of how well you engineer it. I can confidently say a good sensor can regularly withstand dozens of sensors operating simultaneously in a small area because I've personally witnessed it. The devil is largely in the details of specifications and manuf…

Imagine every car has a FMCW LIDAR. The chance of interference is very high. Additionally if those receivers are using SE PDs, then these sensors will also be “blinded” (TIAs and or PDs will saturate) when a nearby Lidar system shines its laser into the detector.

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course, due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, this means you also get worse distance estimation. This isn't how the Heisenberg uncertainty principle works. For macroscopic objects, the effects are completely dwarfed by other phenomenon. Keep in mind that Planck's constant is 10^{-33} meters.

I was actually wondering about this the other day. So what equation(s) would you use to determine the variance in distance estimation relative to velocity estimation? And it sounds like you're strongly implying the distance variation is immeasurably small while accurately estimating velocity - is this correct? I'm not sure the macro point makes sense, since you could have a large object with only one point measuring…

I'm pretty sure the effect you are discussing has to do with the uncertainty relationship inherent to the Fourier Transform [0]. This is very closely related to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, and states you cannot simultaneously constrain time and frequency, which are the values you need to measure for position and velocity, respectively. In the context of signal processing applications, I don't think the particle nature of light is typically considered, which is why it may not be exactly correct to refer to it as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in this context. This is a bit outside my domain though, so take it with a grain of salt.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle#Signal_p...

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

#48

Does anyone know whether eye safety is de facto maintained when your eye is being continuously bombarded by the 100+ scanning lasers being emitted from each of the 100 cars in the vicinity of an intersection? I'm on board with the case with a handful of lasers scanning by quickly but the energy may really start to add up in certain plausible future scenarios.

I swear I get persistence of vision artifacts when I see a LIDAR equipped vehicle, but need to run a double blind test to be sure.

Probably not. You can't see Ir Lasers.

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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post #45

Am surprised no one yet cited Elon saying "this is fool's errand" because of price, complexity, etc. I think LIDAR will improve significantly the safety of vehicles (autonomous or not) because it can definitely see better and deeper, even in damning weather conditions (rain, fog, haze). Alas, the price of these devices has to come down at least one order of magnitude. Maybe even two. Still, I am really thankful that…

As far as I’m aware LIDAR cannot see though fog, as the light is dispersed, and even light rain might reduce range significantly.

Tesla cars have radar which can see through any weather condition and detect transparent surfaces, invisible to LIDAR.

Re: Ouster's new digital Lidar – 128 beams, ultra-wide view

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I swear I get persistence of vision artifacts when I see a LIDAR equipped vehicle, but need to run a double blind test to be sure.

Probably not. You can't see Ir Lasers.

IR and UV radiation can very much ruin your sight.
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