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Re: How strong is your knot?

#41
post #20

My favorite, as many others are sharing here, is the figure 8. For climbing, it's a super versatile knot and there's lots of variations for specific use cases. It's also a great knot for discussing the properties of a good knot. I also have found the trucker's hitch really useful from time to time. It allows you to tie down a load, for example a kayak on top of a car. You tie the initial hitch, and then you get to cr…

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Re: How strong is your knot?

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The zeppelin has always been my favorite "knot" (the zeppelin is a bend), but one knot is not the "best"... the alpine butterfly they compare it with is a loop. They're used in different contexts. I'm just knot layman, but other knots I like are: the icicle hitch, bowline (+yosemite stopper), trucker's hitch, siberian/evenk/halter hitch, tumble hitch, and the chinese button knot.

The knot I use most frequently is the taut-line hitch. This is an adjustable loop knot that holds its position under tension. It works well with the trucker's hitch or to set up tents and other temporary tension rigging.

For joining two lines, I like the Zeppelin hitch.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#45
post #38

My list of favorite knots: 1. Square Knot / Reef Knot -- This is the shoelace tie, and its one of the simplest knots. Learn this knot backwards and forwards you'll use it a lot. Avoid the granny knot (a mistaken reef knot). Beginners will often tie the granny knot instead of the square knot. If you can do a square knot, the "Surgeon Knot" is a useful variant which is more secure. 2. Figure Eight -- Superior to the ov…

Other than aesthetics (and perhaps as a hobby) are there circumstances in which cable lacing would be preferable to cable ties?

Cable ties / zip ties are often better when you need to change the configuration of wires (cutting the zip tie, moving the wires around, and setting new ties up).

Zip ties are more prone to overtightening, but as long as you are aware of the overtightening problem, there's probably no real reason to avoid them.

The main advantage of knowing cable lacing is that it generalizes. There are many long-objects that benefit from the cable-lacing knot. For example, a rope can secure a bunch of 2x4 together using the cable-lacing technique. Any "long lengthwise bundle" of objects can benefit from cable lacing.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#46
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should use an EDK (despite the name sounding scary) if you're anywhere with cracks or areas that a double fisherman's will get caught. The EDK is asymmetric so it's less likely to get stuck, and is generally faster to tie (and untie). Fears of it rolling out are a bit overstated - just leave a solid 6 inches of tail or more.

Or just use the Alpine Butterfly. Stronger, easy to tie, optionally asymmetric, usable as a loop or a bend, quite secure (slightly less so than Ashley's #1452 but still quite good), and non-jamming (unlike the figure 8).

I disagree that it's easier to tie, especially if you're rappelling at night. The EDK is dead simple, it's literally an overhand knot on two ropes. You can do it with your eyes closed. It's also the easiest knot to quickly inspect for correctness by your climbing partner.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#47

I'd love them to do a break down on common knots as I trust my life to figure 8s and fisherman knots pretty regularly.

There are two basic classes: knots on slippery material like monofilament and knots on ordinary stranded or braided line.

Fishermen have worked out good knots for monofilament, but they jam when used with stranded line.

The strength of a knot or bend in stranded line can be predicted without technical analysis by looking at the curvature of the line as it passes through the knot. The tighter the curve, the lower the breaking strength. The strongest bends, like the Zeppelin, have very soft, symmetrical curves. They are also the easiest to untie.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#48
post #26

My list of favorite knots: 1. Square Knot / Reef Knot -- This is the shoelace tie, and its one of the simplest knots. Learn this knot backwards and forwards you'll use it a lot. Avoid the granny knot (a mistaken reef knot). Beginners will often tie the granny knot instead of the square knot. If you can do a square knot, the "Surgeon Knot" is a useful variant which is more secure. 2. Figure Eight -- Superior to the ov…

I can think of at least one situation where an overhand knot is better than a figure-eight, where speed and ease is more important than strength.

The double overhand knot is better than a figure-eight when used as a stop-knot at the end of a rope that you want to prevent running out through a block or clutch, because it's easier to untie after being jammed.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#49

Practicality is also big one. There are tons, but I've learned bowline over 10 years ago and use it every day when sailing. It's easy to tie and can be taken apart by hands.

The bowline is fine for non-safety-critical uses, but cyclical loading causes it to slip, so I'd suggest anyone who's learning the bowline to learn a "safer" variant and just always use that one (examples are Yosemite Bowline, End Bound Single Bowline, Double Bowline, Bowline on a Bight).

I use the Water Bowline (in which the "loop" is a clove hitch) in situations where the knot won't be continuously loaded and might flog.

Re: How strong is your knot?

#50

I am surprised to see no one has put in a good word here for the buntline hitch[1], which is very handy for tying a rope to something fixed (and also happens to be a standard necktie knot). 1: https://www.animatedknots.com/buntline-hitch-knot

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