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Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by autoexec »

nostromo wrote: post #33

The nationalism on the homepage is a little odd... in particular since they're still essentially building on top of Google. https://cliqz.com/en/ > Europe has failed to build its own digital infrastructure. US companies such as Google have thus been able to secure supremacy. They ruthlessly exploit our data. They skim off all profits. They impose their rules on us. In order not to become completely dependent and end…

There's been a lot of discussion about how US-centric the internet is in general even discounting how many massively popular internet companies are US based. I don't think it's unreasonable for Europeans or other nations to try to be less dependent on the US and US based services. As an American, I think it's the smartest thing they can do and I welcome it.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by solso »

rabidrat wrote: post #20

What I really want, is not another search engine for contextless queries. Except for really basic queries (which Google/etc already do a good job at), I'm trying to answer a question, perhaps open-ended, and it will take multiple queries to resolve. And it's not a linear process of narrowing down with + or - keywords. It's establishing a context: I'm searching for something relevant to "go" the language, not "go" the…

[Disclaimer: I work at Cliqz]

I hate to answer this one, becasue it looks too much marketing-speech but this feature exists. Not on beta.cliqz.com but on the drop-down search on Cliqz browser.

Based on the tabs you have opened, different query expansions are selected. For instance as you type "hotel in ma..." probably would show you results for Mallorca, but if you have "Madrid" on a tab, then it will show results for "hotel in madrid".

There will be a blog post about this contextual search because it's our showcase that is possible to do personalization without compromising privacy. All this is done privately, the browser receives results for multiple expansions and can chose which one to display based on local information. We never track or collect sessions of users.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by fractalf »

Wow, just wow. I've been working with Odoo for a couple of years now and it's been a frustrating experience because it's documentation suck badly and it's really freakin hard to get relevant answers from DuckDuckGo or Google when stuck. I tried out a search now on Cliqz and can't believe how good and relevant the result was. Could be a lucky shot, but I'm definitly gonna try this out more. Great work guys! :)

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by BlackLotus89 »

robgibbons wrote: post #39

I like Cliqz and am already impressed with the results for several of my test queries, though they certainly have a ways to go. But what I would really like to see, as has been mentioned in other threads, is an open-source or community-funded search engine. Something that "belongs to the web" itself, so to speak, and not to any particular corporation.

Like yacy? https://yacy.net/

Tried many times to use it but since it was a resource hungry java application that required me to use the web through a http proxy to contribute it wasn't really useable for me at any time. Also the search results were mostly garbage for me.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by autoexec »

BlackLotus89 wrote: post #40

Cliqz nearly made me stop using firefox a while back https://www.heise.de/-3852129 (german article) Tldr 1% of german firefox installations automatically uploaded search queries to cliquz. I wont trust a search engine like this with any of my data.

Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? Blame firefox for selling out their users not the search engine. I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, I just switched distros.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by amelius »

solso wrote: post #43
rabidrat wrote: post #20

What I really want, is not another search engine for contextless queries. Except for really basic queries (which Google/etc already do a good job at), I'm trying to answer a question, perhaps open-ended, and it will take multiple queries to resolve. And it's not a linear process of narrowing down with + or - keywords. It's establishing a context: I'm searching for something relevant to "go" the language, not "go" the…

[Disclaimer: I work at Cliqz] I hate to answer this one, becasue it looks too much marketing-speech but this feature exists. Not on beta.cliqz.com but on the drop-down search on Cliqz browser. Based on the tabs you have opened, different query expansions are selected. For instance as you type "hotel in ma..." probably would show you results for Mallorca, but if you have "Madrid" on a tab, then it will show results fo…

Ok, but can't you then figure out what the browser was displaying using Javascript?

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by nostromo »

autoexec wrote: post #46
BlackLotus89 wrote: post #40

Cliqz nearly made me stop using firefox a while back https://www.heise.de/-3852129 (german article) Tldr 1% of german firefox installations automatically uploaded search queries to cliquz. I wont trust a search engine like this with any of my data.

Would you trust google who does the same thing with chrome? Bing which does the same thing with IE (or whatever it's called now)? Blame firefox for selling out their users not the search engine. I didn't close my account with amazon when Ubuntu started sending searches to them, I just switched distros.

There's a difference.

When I use a service from Google, I expect that my data will be parsed by Google. And I can decide if I trust Google or not.

But Firefox sending the urls I visit to a third party (Cliqz) silently and without permission is shady and deceptive.

And then, after all this, Cliqz claims that it's a company built on privacy... sheesh.

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by amelius »

What I miss in this post is a list of references to the huge literature that exists on this topic, and related fields such as NLP.

Also I don't see a clear problem description. What is a search engine, really? How would you compare the quality of two search engines, objectively?

Re: A New Search Engine

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Post by [deleted] »

fractalf wrote: post #44

Wow, just wow. I've been working with Odoo for a couple of years now and it's been a frustrating experience because it's documentation suck badly and it's really freakin hard to get relevant answers from DuckDuckGo or Google when stuck. I tried out a search now on Cliqz and can't believe how good and relevant the result was. Could be a lucky shot, but I'm definitly gonna try this out more. Great work guys! :)

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