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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

This one is also limited to 5 devices.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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post #35

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

You mean the NordVPN that was hacked for god knows how long, knew about it themselves for months, and both deliberately hid that information from their customers and failed to fix the issue in a reasonable timeframe? [0] With Mozilla you get someone you can hopefully trust (hopefully being the operative word). [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-ha...

Again, I'm happy to be corrected, but I thought that affected 1 server out of 1000s? Errors will inevitably happen with any system on that scale. Will Mozilla be more forthcoming or secure? Maybe but surely 1 error per 1000 servers is a manageable known risk vs Mozilla "may be perfect or terrible"?

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get an implication that Wireguard was US-only. The poster you are replying to is simply stating since Wireguard may still be a bit buggy, they are rolling this out in the US first to iron out any kinks before making it widely available.

But how does rolling it out US only first help with the fact that Wireguard is buggy. They are already rolling it out slowly via a waiting list. Limiting that to US only doesn't really change how "widely available" it is in order to iron out the kinds. Seem more likely this is regulatory related.

That is a very good point on it possibly being regulatory related. I agree, that is probably also a big part of it.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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post #40

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

They use Wireguard a new better VPN, faster and safer. It also deals better with interuptions in the connection. This should work fine one Linux but they seem to be working on their own client. Mullvad is a great company they help finance development for Wireguard VPN, I don't know about NordVPN.

Fair enough, thanks!

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#47
So what is the benefit of getting this through Firefox instead of Mullvad? They want my email to sign up for the waitlist, but Mullvad requires nothing. Seems like it may even be linked to your Firefox account.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get an implication that Wireguard was US-only. The poster you are replying to is simply stating since Wireguard may still be a bit buggy, they are rolling this out in the US first to iron out any kinks before making it widely available.

But how does rolling it out US only first help with the fact that Wireguard is buggy. They are already rolling it out slowly via a waiting list. Limiting that to US only doesn't really change how "widely available" it is in order to iron out the kinds. Seem more likely this is regulatory related.

Trying to do support in multiple languages and timezones can be tricky (and surely adds to the cost), I don't know for sure if that's the reason but it's a reasonable one.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the NordVPN that was hacked for god knows how long, knew about it themselves for months, and both deliberately hid that information from their customers and failed to fix the issue in a reasonable timeframe? [0] With Mozilla you get someone you can hopefully trust (hopefully being the operative word). [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-ha...

Again, I'm happy to be corrected, but I thought that affected 1 server out of 1000s? Errors will inevitably happen with any system on that scale. Will Mozilla be more forthcoming or secure? Maybe but surely 1 error per 1000 servers is a manageable known risk vs Mozilla "may be perfect or terrible"?

NordVPN was mainly criticized for how they handled the disclosure. They didn't admit to the server breach until a whistleblower revealed it publicly a year later.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-21/after-twi...

The utility of a VPN is mainly based on trust, and NordVPN's lack of transparency in that incident is a breach of trust.

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