Given that I know close to nothing about musical theory (or playing music), this talk surprised me. It seems that our minds are simply wired to pick up patterns and to try to make order out of randomness. I was reminded of 'Musicophilia' by Oliver Sacks, that I think is worth checking out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicophilia
Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
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Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#42It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise. Repetition is one way to enhance predictability. Stock musical transformations - modulation to a related key - are another. This is a known thing in perceptual psychology, based on something called the Wundt Curve. Too little novelty is boring. Too much novelty…
> It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise
Exactly!
The sweet spot between repetition and non-repetition - I cal it evolving repetition (same base but minor different touches or changes that evolve the pattern over time) and having different layers doing it - keeps the listener intrigued instead of bored, still keeping the predictability but giving the element of surprise.
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#43It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise. Repetition is one way to enhance predictability. Stock musical transformations - modulation to a related key - are another. This is a known thing in perceptual psychology, based on something called the Wundt Curve. Too little novelty is boring. Too much novelty…
Yes! "trivial prediction vs surprise" ... which relates closely to tension and release
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#44An old saying (old to me anyway) regarding improvising in music is that if you make a mistake, just keep repeating the mistake- it will sound deliberate. It’s surprisingly effective.
Just use a delay pedal, and the machine automatically legitimizes it for you. It's magic!
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#45It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise. Repetition is one way to enhance predictability. Stock musical transformations - modulation to a related key - are another. This is a known thing in perceptual psychology, based on something called the Wundt Curve. Too little novelty is boring. Too much novelty…
> It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise Exactly! The sweet spot between repetition and non-repetition - I cal it evolving repetition (same base but minor different touches or changes that evolve the pattern over time) and having different layers doing it - keeps the listener intrigued instead of bore…
> I cal it evolving repetition ...
In EDM you would use the word 'progressive' [house|trance].
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I subscribed to Ardour for a while so that I could get the macOS version and the amount I paid towards Ardour I could have bought Logic Pro X that does about 500% more, including functioning MIDI, sorry to say. At the time Ardour did not have this, nor half of the other features I needed just for basic mixing and editing. Ardour development obviously has a very small team so they are constrained, but I am not sure go…
I assume they use Jack so they don't have to maintain separate OS-specific code (for audio, that is quite a significant task).
True. It was obviously a bit more awkward to use, that was all.
Having said that, it was less frustrating that on Linux for me but that was back in the days of PulseAudio being garbage and Jack dropping samples left, right and centre on my sound card (using the ice module I think?).
Anyway, I was just saddened by the money I spent on it versus the output I received. I ended up going to Logic Pro instead.
EDIT: I wasn't trying to minimise the Ardour project's efforts BTW. It is a valiant effort and a monumental undertaking but I was more interested in making/recording music than software for that venture.
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise Exactly! The sweet spot between repetition and non-repetition - I cal it evolving repetition (same base but minor different touches or changes that evolve the pattern over time) and having different layers doing it - keeps the listener intrigued instead of bore…
> I cal it evolving repetition ... In EDM you would use the word 'progressive' [house|trance].
Well, the use of `progressive` depends on the surrounding context - is it progressive in terms of genre progress or progressive as in the track scope? But yeah, as I understand, you're aiming at the second context - which is pretty much to what I'm aiming at, but with less explicit emphasis on progression itself.
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#48It's not repetition, it's the deliberate creation of a comprehensible perceptual model which lives in the sweet spot between trivial prediction and surprise. Repetition is one way to enhance predictability. Stock musical transformations - modulation to a related key - are another. This is a known thing in perceptual psychology, based on something called the Wundt Curve. Too little novelty is boring. Too much novelty…
Sadly "pleasant to listen to" and "interesting" can diverge if you become more of a music snob. That's something that really bothers me :)
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#49An old saying (old to me anyway) regarding improvising in music is that if you make a mistake, just keep repeating the mistake- it will sound deliberate. It’s surprisingly effective.
This tactic is also effective when you make grammatical/pronunciation errors in speaking.
Re: Repetition Makes Music Beautiful [video]
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironic in light of your username, but what the comment you're responding to is talking about is the experience of reality rather than reality itself. In the context of learning, and of survival, it's counterproductive for the brain to spend time and energy on outliers instead of what is consistent. The brain has a lot of innate capabilities at birth, but whatever reality the person experiences shapes them, whether it…
Sorry, but this is such a vague and imprecise load of mumbo jumbo that it's easy to think up examples that seem to validate it. It's just as easy to come up with examples that invalidate it. For example, as part of our survival drive the brain is constantly looking for things that stand out -- things that look wrong, not like the norm -- as early warning signs that danger is near. In that sense, "outliers are noise a…
so it's not possible for one complex system to act in two different, perhaps even contradictory ways, depending on context? I don't think anyone is making the claim that both the original claim and the opposite are true absolutely all the time and at the same time, but rather with the implicit suggestion that the brain, being a highly context sensitive organ, adjusts its modality relative to external input and at least attempts to use a relevant method when necessary, not just use both simultaneously all the time