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You are correct https://evadoption.com/ev-sales/evs-percent-of-vehicle-sales...

nope. see my other comment. tesla is not the world’s largest electric vehicle seller.

In the link above they are at ~200k units vs 36k for the second place (Chevrolet). Nobody said “world”, and even there they are tied up with BYD which has it easy with a giant billion-people closed market and local manufacturing. What are you trying to prove?

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Their competition for those years has been companies that only producing compliance cars for the California market. Are you really the benchmark when no one else has been trying? I do think the Model 3 caught everyone's attention though, but I'm deeply skeptical that Tesla has any significant first mover advantage. Car companies aren't exactly unique.

You don't think having much more battery production capacity or a massive network of superchargers is a significant advantage?

You don't think Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, Hyundai, or GM couldn't do any of these things too? They're some of the largest industrial manufacturers in the world.

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Their competition for those years has been companies that only producing compliance cars for the California market. Are you really the benchmark when no one else has been trying? I do think the Model 3 caught everyone's attention though, but I'm deeply skeptical that Tesla has any significant first mover advantage. Car companies aren't exactly unique.

What % of global battery capacity does Tesla have? How long would it take the Fords to catch up?

It took what, a few years for Tesla to get to what is hays now? You saying Hyundai and Toyota couldn't do that in the same amount of time or less. We're talking about Tesla competing with some of the largest industrial manufacturers in the world, and you think a few years heads start is a significant first move advantage?

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> the benchmark EV for eight years Really? Tesla is spyware on wheels. The first time I can remember hearing about their consumer products was about someone finding their car remotely disabled because they'd found an ethernet port in it and plugged into it. I mostly see it referenced in a mocking way about conspicuous consumption and weird corporate antics. They were even made fun of on the TV show Silicon Valley. We…

> Googling briefly shows I do not understand how people can confirm their beliefs so quickly with such little effort. If a stat makes you feel good, you should probably look into more than usual. According to insideevs.com and QZ.com, in the US, there are 133,178 Leafs sold _ever_ since 2010. Since 2017, there have been 190,000 Model 3s sold. Sources: https://qz.com/1703260/teslas-model-3-may-never-catch-up-to-... ht…

Ironically, you chastise me on stats but then use a figure for the leaf half its total global sales. Nissan announced hitting 400,000 total sold in march: https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-a70f8c4b4e...

It's a little hard to make an apples to apples comparison because tesla was apparently taking money-down preorders for years while Nissan was actually shipping cars. Shipping obviously results in installed base advantages, but preorders obviously result in sales rate advantages.

I'll take your word for it that there are just now more tesla on the road although articles at least as recent as two months ago state otherwise-- but that doesn't really contradict my comment above that the statement that the claim that tesla is the 'benchmark ev' is odd to me.

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I don't get what is "stunning" here? Maybe I am missing some context? Someone called Tesla to advise that Tripp was heavily armed and coming at the Gigafactory. Tesla called the police, which then looked for Tripp and found the information to be false. Subsequently, the police tried to identify who placed the initial call, and found that the caller was just "a concerned friend", as they knew Tripp to be unstable and…

Tesla claimed that someone called. Has the call been released? To me it looks like one of Musk goons tried to have a whistle blower shot by the police...

These are extremely bold claims. So it would require some solid proof. From the report the police officer did not seem to doubt the existence of the call. Also, for this to be true, at least Musk, the head of security, and the person working at the call center, would have to be ok with participating in a scheme to try to get someone killed. You need some very solid proofs for this to be taken seriously, do you have any? Or at least any tangential circumstantial evidences more than "it looks to me.."?

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Tesla claimed that someone called. Has the call been released? To me it looks like one of Musk goons tried to have a whistle blower shot by the police...

These are extremely bold claims. So it would require some solid proof. From the report the police officer did not seem to doubt the existence of the call. Also, for this to be true, at least Musk, the head of security, and the person working at the call center, would have to be ok with participating in a scheme to try to get someone killed. You need some very solid proofs for this to be taken seriously, do you have a…

What I wrote doesn't imply at all that Musk may be on it, or that the person in the call center even exists. What I claim is that with the elements I have, it looks like the head of security maliciously set the cops on the whistle blower.

It would have been easy for Tesla to release a recording of the call, and if it exists the malicious call could be traced.

He could easily have been shot, police being what it is in the US...

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You don't think having much more battery production capacity or a massive network of superchargers is a significant advantage?

You don't think Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, Hyundai, or GM couldn't do any of these things too? They're some of the largest industrial manufacturers in the world.

Couldn’t is not the same as haven’t.

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post #46

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These are extremely bold claims. So it would require some solid proof. From the report the police officer did not seem to doubt the existence of the call. Also, for this to be true, at least Musk, the head of security, and the person working at the call center, would have to be ok with participating in a scheme to try to get someone killed. You need some very solid proofs for this to be taken seriously, do you have a…

What I wrote doesn't imply at all that Musk may be on it, or that the person in the call center even exists. What I claim is that with the elements I have, it looks like the head of security maliciously set the cops on the whistle blower. It would have been easy for Tesla to release a recording of the call, and if it exists the malicious call could be traced. He could easily have been shot, police being what it is in…

> or that the person in the call center even exists

This person does exists, as you can see in the report that he/she was interviewed by a police officer. So this person would need to be on it too...

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What I wrote doesn't imply at all that Musk may be on it, or that the person in the call center even exists. What I claim is that with the elements I have, it looks like the head of security maliciously set the cops on the whistle blower. It would have been easy for Tesla to release a recording of the call, and if it exists the malicious call could be traced. He could easily have been shot, police being what it is in…

> or that the person in the call center even exists This person does exists, as you can see in the report that he/she was interviewed by a police officer. So this person would need to be on it too...

Was there ever any attempt to trace the obviously malicious call ? Someone ought to do 20 years for that one (https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/03/man-behind-fatal-swattin...)

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> or that the person in the call center even exists This person does exists, as you can see in the report that he/she was interviewed by a police officer. So this person would need to be on it too...

Was there ever any attempt to trace the obviously malicious call ? Someone ought to do 20 years for that one ( https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/03/man-behind-fatal-swattin... )

You would have to prove intent as is the case in the story above. If the person calling had some legitimate fear of him actually shooting up the place they were justified in making a warning call even if it wasn't based on any solid proof (although the call should have been to the police and not to Tesla).
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