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Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by alchemism »

fwxwi wrote: post #17
mgbmtl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Like most projects, they have a logo. What's wrong with that?

A logo, a palette of colours, a typography, brand guidelines... all for an init system for Linux. They think they are fucking Coca Cola. If you don't think that's just insane... well I'm just getting old I guess.

You should see the slick graphic skateboard decks for CNCF projects they have at KubeCon. The Prometheus one is killer.

This isn’t your grandfather’s open source, no sir.

(Edit: check the #k8sordie tag on Twitter)

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by lberk »

fwxwi wrote: post #20
calcifer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An init system is just one of many, many projects under the systemd umbrella. Perhaps you should learn more about a project before launching into criticism?

Ah that is true. That reminds me that they should only be an init system and not Cthulhu. Friendly reminder that they managed to infiltrate all distros by creating a hard dependency from GNOME to systemd, which they could only pull off because both projects belong to the same corporation.

Is that true?

systemd is part of freedesktop.org (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/) > freedesktop.org is a completely volunteer organisation with no corporate backing or funding stream. We are a member project of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., for the purposes of holding assets.

meanwhile gnome has it's own foundation at https://www.gnome.org/foundation/ > The GNOME Foundation is a non-profit organization that furthers the goals of the GNOME Project, helping it to create a free software computing platform for the general public that is designed to be elegant, efficient, and easy to use.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by rabidrat »

capableweb wrote: post #11
sneak wrote: post #6

https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/528278007417696256

Following that link, I also came across https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/783254242052206592 "I'm choosing euthanasia etd 1pm." @12:35 PM · Oct 4, 2016 From Wikipedia: Pieter Hintjens (3 December 1962 – 4 October 2016) was a Belgian software developer It's his choice, and I support it if that's what he really wanted, but it's still really creepy to see.

He was in a lot of pain and wanted to die on his own terms. He was an advocate for dying with dignity, and his last message was to help normalize euthanasia. The creepiness you feel is your impetus to work through your feelings about death and come to terms with it, to admire his incredible clarity and mental ease without having to couch it in "it's his choice" terms. I thought at the time it was a touching piece of humanity and I am grateful he was bold enough to express it.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

capableweb wrote: post #11
sneak wrote: post #6

https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/528278007417696256

Following that link, I also came across https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/783254242052206592 "I'm choosing euthanasia etd 1pm." @12:35 PM · Oct 4, 2016 From Wikipedia: Pieter Hintjens (3 December 1962 – 4 October 2016) was a Belgian software developer It's his choice, and I support it if that's what he really wanted, but it's still really creepy to see.

If you check his website at http://hintjens.com/ you'll see "In April 2016 he was diagnosed with terminal metastasis of a previous cancer".

So his choice was that or further suffering to the same end result.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by markvdb »

capableweb wrote: post #11
sneak wrote: post #6

https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/528278007417696256

Following that link, I also came across https://twitter.com/hintjens/status/783254242052206592 "I'm choosing euthanasia etd 1pm." @12:35 PM · Oct 4, 2016 From Wikipedia: Pieter Hintjens (3 December 1962 – 4 October 2016) was a Belgian software developer It's his choice, and I support it if that's what he really wanted, but it's still really creepy to see.

Friends and I paid him a visit when he was already living on borrowed time.

It was what he really wanted.

I fondly remember the July 2005 party we had at his Molenbeek warehouse after defeating the EU software patents directive. His 4am African music and dance demonstration. Memories...

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by Gibbon1 »

fwxwi wrote: post #17
mgbmtl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Like most projects, they have a logo. What's wrong with that?

A logo, a palette of colours, a typography, brand guidelines... all for an init system for Linux. They think they are fucking Coca Cola. If you don't think that's just insane... well I'm just getting old I guess.

Ya'll realize they're slowly doing an embrace, extend, extinguish on Linux don't you?

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by caiocaiocaio »

artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

Building a Linux distro was like playing with Lego: the pieces were very interchangeable (in practice there were difficulties, but usually ones that were fun and rewarding to resolve; "fun and rewarding" is the exact opposite of SystemD).

SystemD also fails quietly or with useless errors and makes problems hard to diagnose - so a bug not directly caused by SystemD looks like it comes from SystemD because SystemD slime is on everything - is extremely poorly-documented, extremely over-engineered, and subject to rapid change due to the moodiness and instability of the OverPoetter.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by kstrauser »

artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

The short version is that Unix has traditionally been built around small tools, well-tested and optimized, that did one thing and did it very well. Systemd is often perceived as kind of a "betrayal" of that idea, as a big system that tries to do everything. A lot of mistrust comes from that criticism.

Re: Systemd Brand

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Post by JohnFen »

sergiomattei wrote: post #40
artonge wrote: post #21

Can someone share the reasons why systemd generate so much hate ? I seems to me that it is quite useful and easy to use.

Because it's trendy to hate on systemd. It's a bandwagon. Really, that's it. There's technical reasons for really advanced users, but for average users systemd works just fine, and it's easy to use. In my experience, it's been a pleasure to use.

That's not true or fair.

That you've had a wonderful experience with it doesn't mean that others don't have legitimate issues with it.

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