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Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by harperlee »

chii wrote: post #19
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also recommend never storing mission-critical stuff only in your email. Losing the contents of your inbox should be the least of your concerns if there’s a chance you might lose access to your account. There are far worse repercussions - e.g. a) how do you update everyone else's record of your email address? b) how many services have you locked yourself out of, or made doing so much more likely?

It makes owning your email address (including the domain name part) crucial. It's time people separated the hosting of email from the interface (the address).

Unfortunately it is no longer free to use a custom address in gmail; it used to be that just owning a domain would do the trick.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by dugditches »

And he'll make a fuss, a video, and it'll get fixed. They'll all get their stuff back. It'll add to the\ sour taste in his mouth but it'll get fixed.

While smaller creators in similar situations are completely out of luck. Throw a support ticket into the ether. And just have to hope more and pray a bigger Youtuber picks up their plea and their video gets popular so that it gets fixed.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by whateveracct »

m-p-3 wrote: post #39
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

Google should be able to disable access to a specific service, not shutting down the whole account. They want to be the identity of the online world, they need the responsibilities that comes with it.

Since when has Google ever took on "the responsibilities that come with it"?

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by konschubert »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

More importantly, pay for your own email DOMAIN.

And keep backups of your email.

Then, even if your account gets shut down, you can get up and running elsewhere quickly.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by abnry »

blondin wrote: post #2

oh wow! there must be more backstory to this. finding it hard to believe that whole google accounts got suspended for spamming a youtube video chat!

Google's management of YouTube has been terrible the past several years. I don't find it hard to believe there isn't more to the story.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by ryandrake »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

Or self-host. Linode VPS: $5/mo and for that I can host E-mail, a light duty web server, and other various odds and ends. I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic account suspension removing access to my E-mail (and all of my online accounts, since they use my E-mail address for verification). And I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic process determining what E-mails I receive and which ones get silently dropped into a black hole. So far no problems with misconfiguration or other providers dropping my mail--while it probably happens, I think the risk of that is overblown if you configure SPF, DKIM, and so on correctly.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by tahdig »

konschubert wrote: post #44
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

More importantly, pay for your own email DOMAIN. And keep backups of your email. Then, even if your account gets shut down, you can get up and running elsewhere quickly.

Be careful:

By hosting your main email on a custom domain(not a provider) you open a new attack vector for identity theft.

Someone can hijack your godaddy/namecheap/gandi account and point the MX DNS records of the domain to their own server and receive all your "Forgot your password? here is the link to reset!" emails

This a very bad advice unless you actually know what are the risks.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by tahdig »

There are too many people here advocating to host your own email in your own domain. Please be warned that it has its own risks:

By hosting your main email on a custom domain(not a provider) you open a new attack vector for identity theft. There was an article on HN just a couple weeks ago about someone getting hacked by exactly this attack form. IIRC it was godaddy having stupid verification process.

Someone can hijack your godaddy/namecheap/gandi account and point the MX DNS records of the domain to their own server and receive all your "Forgot your password? here is the link to reset!" emails

This a very bad advice unless you actually know what are the risks.

Maybe suggesting a paid email provider would be better, does anyone know of any reliable email providers that you pay for what you are getting and they are not selling your account data or block you for some reason?

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by megous »

thinkingemote wrote: post #20

Looks like they are trying to use AI for automation and it's screwed up. Again. And it will and must happen again and again to get better. Actually they call this stressful work and actively explicitly are working towards not getting workers to do this work for their own benefit if you believe HR and the mental health supporters of this policy. I forget the actual term it's something like "Mental Health Ops'. Why sho…

Yes, but just block further commenting, lol. If your algorithm has bad false positive rate, don't hook it to "delete this person from Google" action, but something less intursive.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by doopfoopdoop »

tahdig wrote: post #47
konschubert wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More importantly, pay for your own email DOMAIN. And keep backups of your email. Then, even if your account gets shut down, you can get up and running elsewhere quickly.

Be careful: By hosting your main email on a custom domain(not a provider) you open a new attack vector for identity theft. Someone can hijack your godaddy/namecheap/gandi account and point the MX DNS records of the domain to their own server and receive all your "Forgot your password? here is the link to reset!" emails This a very bad advice unless you actually know what are the risks.

Is there a good way to protect against this aside from good password hygiene at your domain registrar?

I use namecheap if that is relevant--maybe there's a better/more secure registrar to move to.

But I guess, equivalently, someone can just equivalently hijack your email account directly if you use a service like Gmail or Yahoo.

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