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Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

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Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#41

To the 90%: if you've got nothing to hide then why are you encrypting your traffic?

Probably sarcasm but...why shut the door when you're in the bathroom?

Or "why lock your car doors when stealing and hotwiring is a crime"? Sure, people have convertibles and jeeps with no doors, but they also won't leave anything valuable out in the open.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#44
post #18

I wonder how many fuel is burned to power servers and browsers to constantly encrypt and decrypt data which could be transferred much more efficiently unencrypted.

I bet if you stress test a server via http and via https, the CPU time won't be as different as you might think. The main efficiency lost is that you can no longer have big shared cache networks for everybody, but those were a security risk anyway.

The somewhat surprising main problem is not CPU load but the additional back-and-forth TLS requires to establish the handshakes. One of the main goals/draws of HTTPS/3 is eliminating these extra steps.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#45
Also likely because in the past the internet was really diverse. One would visit 20 sites possibly during one session.

Today, the landscape looks more like: You visit Google, click some links that open in AMP (still Google), visit some social networks (primarily Twitter and FB-owned properties). These companies already operate TLS-only, which helps these numbers.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#46

To the 90%: if you've got nothing to hide then why are you encrypting your traffic?

Because I can't connect directly to news.ycombinator.com, my request is first proxied through verizon and comcast and others. Without HTTPS it is super easy for them (or lesser known snooper) to add malware or whatever they want to the messages. It's useful because of the data integrity verification, not the encryption.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that doesn't work, there's also the argument that "credit card providers require it, and could stop you from taking credit cards until you fix it".

You're right, but didn't have to. This guy when he could get past being mad at me knew that was against the rules. Also even if it was allowed, no one wants to shop at a place that says Not Secure. Side topic, but I've been trying to explain to our terrible CFO for years that PCI / PCI DSS is a real thing. He thinks that's the type of regulation that only giant companies have to deal with.

Even if it says "secure", that doesn't mean it really is. I worked at a place in the 90's that hosted a some sites taking credit cards through HTTPS. You know what they did? They sent emails, in clear text, to people at the store that would enter / process the cards manually.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#48
post #45

Also likely because in the past the internet was really diverse. One would visit 20 sites possibly during one session. Today, the landscape looks more like: You visit Google, click some links that open in AMP (still Google), visit some social networks (primarily Twitter and FB-owned properties). These companies already operate TLS-only, which helps these numbers.

Right. Encrypted web traffic at 90% is different than encrypted web sites at 90%.

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably more attributed to browsers marking non-https as 'Not Secure' than anything but LetsEncrypt definitely has had a substantial impact to make that change possible.

Pretty much this. I ran into a local store taking credit cards awhile back, no TLS, weird, so I go to the store owner in person. I explain the problem and he insists that can't be the case, he's mad at me. "See! It's got a lock on the website!"... on the homepage. I direct him to the store and now it says Not Secure. That did more to explain the situation than my attempt at TLS and HTTPS and Certs. He was able to cal…

did you check the url the form submits to for https? it was a somewhat common pattern once upon a time to load the form in http but submit it in https. not great, but better than nothing (nobody should do this nowadays btw).

Re: Encrypted web traffic now exceeds 90%

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much this. I ran into a local store taking credit cards awhile back, no TLS, weird, so I go to the store owner in person. I explain the problem and he insists that can't be the case, he's mad at me. "See! It's got a lock on the website!"... on the homepage. I direct him to the store and now it says Not Secure. That did more to explain the situation than my attempt at TLS and HTTPS and Certs. He was able to cal…

If that doesn't work, there's also the argument that "credit card providers require it, and could stop you from taking credit cards until you fix it".

Even scalier than PCI compliance mumbo jumbo is customers not giving you any money.
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