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We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Brutal honesty: You just caught me k-holed at a rave in Toronto reading this and I feel like I have just lived a lifetime. Wow. Insanely well written. Also: glad I’m not one of the pioneers, unfortunately.

protip: dance at raves and put your phone down. :)

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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Don't think psychedelic therapy can or should be shoehorned into the "scale out and make VC/CEO rich" model

Until you realize that many millions are suffering and every day someone doesn't get treated is another opportunity for them to kill themselves.

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I loved the story. It spoke to me. I'm optimistic. Things work in cycles. I think I know what would happen next. First, the human touch component would move out of the commodified middle class model to high-cost gentrified models and to low/no cost homebrew models. Second, the middle class psychedelic exposure would result in hundreds of thousands more psychedelically adept humans, inspired to create meaningful, conn…

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer. I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony! Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

Psychedelic medicines allow people to attempt to heal themselves. Individual-driven intervention is not utopian.

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A psychedelic church would just end up being a tax-dodge for drug dealers probably.

A church as a tax-dodge for drug dealers is not a new thing.

A church as a tax-dodge is not a new thing.

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In my experience, Entheogens and money have a reluctant relationship. A 'psychedlic healing' business immediately sounds concerning to me. I can't find any convincing credentials beyond the author taking these substances at some point in her life. The author lambasts MBAs yet admits they themselves are a marketer. Not to mention, 'psychedelic industry' just sounds wrong. What's the difference between psychedelics and…

There are significant differences between psychedelics and anti-depressants, both mechanically and when it involves long-term treatment planning and monetization. Although research is quite limited due to regulatory constraints, John Hopkins has particularly interesting research on the subject ( https://hopkinspsychedelic.org ), with ongoing trials. I think you're right about the shamanic ideal - at its current state…

> The Native American Church (NAC), also known as Peyotism and Peyote Religion, is a Native American religion that teaches a combination of traditional Native American beliefs and Christianity, with sacramental use of the entheogen peyote.[1] The religion originated in the Oklahoma Territory (1890-1907) in the late nineteenth century, after peyote was introduced to the southern Great Plains from Mexico.[1][2][3] Today it is the most widespread indigenous religion among Native Americans in the United States (except Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians), Canada (specifically First Nations people in Saskatchewan and Alberta), and Mexico, with an estimated 250,000 adherents as of the late twentieth century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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I've recently become a certified Kambo practitioner and it may end up segwaying me into the problems posed here. I'd love to include work with entheogens (mushrooms/psilohuasca in particular), but I'm not fond of doing anything "underground". The efforts made in Oakland (and a couple of other places) are exciting; I really hope we do it right federally.

( segueing )

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post #38

I've recently become a certified Kambo practitioner and it may end up segwaying me into the problems posed here. I'd love to include work with entheogens (mushrooms/psilohuasca in particular), but I'm not fond of doing anything "underground". The efforts made in Oakland (and a couple of other places) are exciting; I really hope we do it right federally.

( segueing )

Well I sure wouldn't be _walking_ in this day and age... ;)

(whoops)

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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post #4

Brutal honesty: You just caught me k-holed at a rave in Toronto reading this and I feel like I have just lived a lifetime. Wow. Insanely well written. Also: glad I’m not one of the pioneers, unfortunately.

protip: dance at raves and put your phone down. :)

It's hard to dance k-holed. Any movement makes you want to throw up.

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My two cents - psychedelics can open your mind to a new way of processing information and thinking about your daily existence. Anecdotally, it's happened to me over the last 11+ years (not through psychedelics, but through other spiritual practices like meditation). The result is that I'm less angry, less judgmental, less likely to fly off the handle. Much better at processing information, removing clutter (bullshit)…

well firstly, as you said, you've done this without the aid of psychedelics, so I'm not sure it's exactly an answer to my question! And secondly, well that's not exactly a societal change. Has it made you ready to ditch capitalism? (edit -- I'm sure your change in mindset is a positive thing, I'm not disputing that. I'm also not disputing that psychedelics can have a profound effect on individuals. But as someone who…

If they play an important role in reducing the prevalence and severity of mental illness by an order of magnitude, I think that would be a huge boon to society, human well-being, and the advance of civilization. There have been a number of very promising studies.

It's hard to fully capture the damage that is done by debilitating depression or anxiety, for example. I think the statistics are that 20% of the entire population will experience at least one episode during their lifetime. And that number has been increasing.

Re: We Will Call It Pala: A Story for the Psychedelic Movement

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post #43
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How will society actually be different afterwards? Please be specific in your answer. I've seen this sort of utopian thinking any number of times. If only everyone could just take a trip man, we would all live in love and harmony! Except it's either just vague pipedreams and semi-mystical aspiration, or it's something more solid like communal living that in general disintegrates in the cold light of day.

Psychedelic medicines allow people to attempt to heal themselves. Individual-driven intervention is not utopian.

It is suicidal for most people. They're not equipped to handle these things safely, and however safe and non-addictive these substances are they do have side effects. Sometimes, rarely, lasting and not necessarily pleasant.

You can oversell them like SSRI are as well, that would be bad and easy to do.

Study then first and use them, but be careful about the consequences.

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