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If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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As someone who bikes to work most days and thinks cycling infrastructure like this is great, what do the people profiled in this article do when it rains?

I love to bike with my waterproof poncho. https://www.thepeoples.co

Second this! Ponchos provide unparalleled air flow and weigh very little compared to conventional rain gear. I'm also able to stretch mine over the front basket, protecting any cargo as well. I'm never going back to regular rain jackets or pants again!

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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As someone who bikes to work most days and thinks cycling infrastructure like this is great, what do the people profiled in this article do when it rains?

I live in Amsterdam, I have my winter gear, water-proof shoes, pant cover etc. I never stopped cycling to work during the winter, even if it was snowing :) my commute is only 8 minutes though. I hate wind more than rain and snow tbh.

It's totally possible with the right gear, time, attitude, skills and facilities to handle almost any weather scenarios.

There are somethings that are a no-go, however, like ice-storms or maybe C-F combinations like night-time + heavy precip + extreme cold. These things can also be no-go for cars-- or should be.

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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I live in Amsterdam, I have my winter gear, water-proof shoes, pant cover etc. I never stopped cycling to work during the winter, even if it was snowing :) my commute is only 8 minutes though. I hate wind more than rain and snow tbh.

> my commute is only 8 minutes though I bet that's the secret. I just commented comparing the Netherland's climate to Denver and while they are comparable at the end of the day it seem it must be the commute distance that really makes it work in Amsterdam. In this case, you're commute is about as long as it takes me to walk to work after I park my car .

The best-kept secret of Dutch biking: the Dutch hardly bike at all:

https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best-kept-secret-dutch-bikin...

edit: (I decided to submit this article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21399793 )

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Amsterdam, I have my winter gear, water-proof shoes, pant cover etc. I never stopped cycling to work during the winter, even if it was snowing :) my commute is only 8 minutes though. I hate wind more than rain and snow tbh.

> my commute is only 8 minutes though I bet that's the secret. I just commented comparing the Netherland's climate to Denver and while they are comparable at the end of the day it seem it must be the commute distance that really makes it work in Amsterdam. In this case, you're commute is about as long as it takes me to walk to work after I park my car .

That's part of it. In most places in Europe, it's legal to build housing, every-day amenities like grocery stores and cafes, and offices in close proximity.

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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As someone who bikes to work most days and thinks cycling infrastructure like this is great, what do the people profiled in this article do when it rains?

Rain? I'd be more worried about snow. Looking at climate data just on Wikipedia, the Netherlands gets about the same number of 'snowy' days as Denver and it gets more total precipitation. It's winter average temperatures are also a tad lower which really makes me wonder what they do when there is snow & ice on the streets. I'd certainly wouldn't want to be riding my bike in Denver today (the front range got >1ft of s…

Usually the government is pretty good at clearing the snow and ice. Small roads you have to cycle carefully. I have slipped and fallen on icy roads numerous times when I was younger, just part of the cycling deal is what I always thought.

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> putting your child on the backseat of a bike on a rainy day is not frowned upon This is the best thing you can do for your child.

Also, recommended: “The Happiest Kids in the World: Bringing up Children the Dutch Way” https://www.amazon.com/Happiest-Kids-World-Bringing-Children...

As a dutch person I can say, as temperatures are dropping on the northern hemisphere, little makes my kids happier that announcing we are taking the car to school.

This book, I wonder, is its only mission to make people feel bad that they are not doing well? My kids are dutch and only play outside by themselves from 6-7 y/o, don't bike to school until they are 10-12 or so usually and they really didn't sleep very well as babies. And I definitely know some 14-18 y/o rebels.

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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In an alienated society where everyone lives in his own bubble, biking and not having a car is an easy proposition. No need to drive your sick parents to the hospital, no need to help a friend with moving the furniture, putting your child on the backseat of a bike on a rainy day is not frowned upon. Almost every aspect of social life is handled by a company in the private sector or by a public institution. The majori…

Explain to me please why we, the Dutch, are an alienated society? We, just like most, still have to help our friends and family, move furniture and so on. Most families still own a car for this purpose, but a lot of the day to day activities can be done without a car. Saving the environment and your wallet. Edit: spelling

It's the general level of brashness and inconsideration that astounds people from other nationalities. Silly offensive jokes expressed in the loudest way possible, not caring about the reaction of others, etc. These things lead to alienation naturally.

Anecdata: a group of 10-12 Dutch tourists have gathered on a central table in a dinner bar, all laughing as loud as possible without ever considering a mom with a sleeping baby a few meters from them. The mom tries to make facial expressions of discontent, no one gets it or no one considers it some kind of a sign.

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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As someone who bikes to work most days and thinks cycling infrastructure like this is great, what do the people profiled in this article do when it rains?

I've taken a bike daily for years, for one commute the alternative was walking, which took around twice longer. So between getting wet on a bike and spending a longer time walking and getting wet, it didn't change much. And once at school, clothing dried quickly enough that it wasn't much of a bother. Later, when I had switched my commute to bike + train, the other option was to take a bus, but I never did it, because I just couldn't stand to wait for the bus and risk missing my train and getting late to school/work.

Re: If You Build It, the Dutch Will Pedal (2017)

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"Cycling is like a piece of magic: It only has advantages,” said Ms. van Hooijdonk . (who never cycled into gale force winds in freezing cold and rain ;'D... wtf)

He also has the chance to be fit enough to bike regularly and to live in a place where it's feasible to do a lot of trips on bike, with shorter distances than what you'd find in the US
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