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WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…

Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…

Employees who have choices on where to work.

Landlords who have choices about working with startups or not. Generally, industry partners on the fence about investing time in startups and choosing their business partners.

Competitors damaged by Son's misinvestment giving WeWork billions to light on fire.

Investors who didn't want to have to demand information rights and crawl though financials looking for rampant self dealing.

Founders like me who resent fraudsters taking the shine off our industry.

Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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He didn’t create a very valuable company. It’s deeply in the red (the opposite of what you are claiming). Those people could’ve had better career paths without having to bail from WeWork. Other jobs did exist due to record unemployment numbers. That is why it is terrible. It’s a waste of an opportunity given to a guy who is a human shaped locust.

> He didn’t create a very valuable company. It’s deeply in the red (the opposite of what you are claiming). Unfortunately, in this day and time, sometimes company's value has very little to do with profit or even revenue.

It does until it doesn't. Capital injections don't last forever. Eventually profits and cash flow matter.

Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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It's not as simple as "these jobs wouldn't have existed anyway!" People plan their lives around their projected income, including salary/benefits/equity. With WeWork going down, people aren't just losing their current income, but their future income, and the opportunity cost from working anywhere else instead of WeWork. The man acted borderline fraudulently to investors, and the market responded once it was in the op…

And (IMO) more than borderline fraudulently to employees. As a startup founder, shit like this poisons the environment both for investment and for hiring employees. When people make choices about where to work, stuff like Theranos and WeWork is distinctly not helpful. It gives our industry a patina of fraud.

I don't know the details of when the news broke, but I'd be interested to know how many people at We knew that Neumann owned some of the properties they were renting and not WeWork. Because if I knew that self-dealing was going on, I definitely wouldn't work there. If I found out, I'd try and leave as soon as possible.

I can't imagine what it feels like to be at a promising startup with options and people are floating a 47-60 billion valuation at you, only to have a bunch of shady business come to light and then have that value evaporate before it was ever realized. Even if you didn't act on it, and pretended it was a lottery ticket - the emotional toll must be excruciating. I really empathize with the boots on the ground at some of these companies, they're working hard just like the rest of us.

Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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I strongly dislike WeWork, even may have issues with its fundamental business model, but it's difficult for me to understand how someone could label it as a failure. WeWork is not Theranos: they have a product offering that works well for a lot of businesses.

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Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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I'm confused as to why this is so terrible. He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars. It makes sense that he should capture some large fraction of that wealth. Yes, some people will lose their jobs. But it's worth noting that those jobs wouldn't have existed in the first place if he hadn't started the company. His mismanagement has cost him and Softbank billions, which is appropriate as well. I s…

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Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

#47

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>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…

Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…

> But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble that didn't pan out.

I'm sure many joined just because they wanted a job. We can't blame some random executive assistant for not knowing the ins and outs of the company's financial situation or the risk that they were taking. Their layoff will hurt.

Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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Reuter is giving better picture of how this is being worked upon. SoftBank has agreed to give him (Neumann) $500 million to refinance his personal loans, as well as pay him a $185 million consulting fee. SoftBank will additionally launch a tender offer for up to $3 billion to acquire WeWork shares from existing investors and employees.. Neumann’s ability to tender his shares will be capped at $970 million. https://ww…

OK, we've changed to that from https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/22/business/dealbook/wework-.... Thanks.

Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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I'm confused as to why this is so terrible. He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars. It makes sense that he should capture some large fraction of that wealth. Yes, some people will lose their jobs. But it's worth noting that those jobs wouldn't have existed in the first place if he hadn't started the company. His mismanagement has cost him and Softbank billions, which is appropriate as well. I s…

>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…

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Re: WeWork Accepts SoftBank Takeover Offer

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>He created a very valuable company, worth billions of dollars he created something that may very well lose its investors billions of dollars without ever turning a dime of profit. What the company is evaluated as on paper by people increasingly disconnected from reality isn't really meaningful. I'm not really sure what the market function or social function is of rewarding people with billions of dollars who create…

Perhaps I'm just not seeing any real victims here. Softbank and the Saudis wanted to roll the dice on some overpriced unicorns. They went into the deal with eyes open. And it looks like they're taking a massive haircut. Play stupid games... I do feel sorry for some WeWork employees that will lose their jobs. But, again, many of them joined hoping to get some upside when the company went public -- which was a gamble t…

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