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Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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This is exactly what I did with business, instead of getting an MBA or a PhD. Here's my reading list: http://personalmba.com/best-business-books/ Here's the book I wrote, condensing what I learned in the process: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591843529/ I now own my own business, work for myself as a business teacher and consultant, have an enormous amount of flexibility in my day-to-day schedule, and make more t…

Any chance you could put an ebook up for sale? Your book hasn't been released in Europe yet, and the import charges when buying from Amazon.com are pretty bad (~200% increase in price). :-/

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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Well, since I have a Masters in Financian Engineering (well, technically, a Masters in Computational Finance -- but same difference), I feel like I at least have to comment on a few things.

1. Just because the material is freely available on the internet does not mean you will have the ability to learn from that material. However, an inability to learn the material does not necessarily indicate a disinterest or an ineptitude. Quite frankly, it took the threat of a grade and the commitment of paying tuition for me to sit down and read through Shreve's Stochastic Calculus books, despite the fact I had picked them up almost a year before attending CMU.

2. Reading a bunch of books doesn't make you knowledgable on a subject. Deep interaction with the material does. You don't go to school just for a piece of paper -- you go for a structured learning environment. I went because I believed, and still do, that the teachers who understand this material will know the best way to organize and present it to me. Furthermore, most MFE programs stress the importance of an internship, giving students pragmatic experience. Finally, most MFE programs also offer speaker series to provide interaction with industry practitioners.

3. Whoever is saying 'Girsanov's Theorem' doesn't understand the connection. Girsanov is only relevant from the Fundamental Theorems of Asset Pricing, which is only relevant in that it translates the question of arbitrage into a question of existence of a risk neutral measure. Ultimately, pricing is merely replication.

4. "So you’re trying to get a job where you face the market everyday and disagree with it." This quote tells me you fundamentally are misunderstanding what occurs on most Sales & Trading desks, which is where most people from MFE programs try to place. Don't worry -- most people don't understand what they do. Quite simply, most Wall Street traders do nothing other than execute trades for clients and try to match and offset the risk of the trade with other clients. Sometimes traders will carry some risk in their book (most of the time, it is second-order risk) -- but for the most part, they aren't actively taking bets on market direction (though, rumor has it Goldman is notorious for this…) -- they leave that up to the hedge funds.

5. This whole notion of independent thought versus 'indoctrination' is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but math is math, whether you read it on your own or are taught by a professor. Independent thought is a characteristic of the student, and they either have it or they don't.

6. Is the degree expensive? Heck yes. Is it worth it? Only you can answer that. For me, having the degree is priceless because I own my business, and it acts as a certification of qualification when I meet with clients. It serves as one more point for them to check off in their due diligence on me.

7. You will completely miss out on the opportunity to network with peers. I now know people who I worked with on a daily basis at almost every major Wall Street firm, from investment banks to hedge funds to consultancy firms. That is a priceless network.

So can you learn the material all on your own? Sure -- but I bet it takes you a lot longer than the year and a half it took me. By going to school, I was able to dedicate myself full time (homework and classes well exceeded 40+ hours a week), to learning the material. In my opinion, this isn't really material you can learn 'part time,' and if you try, you certainly won't have the opportunity to develop any practical understanding of it.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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Wow! Has anyone else achieved this level of efficiency in their reading? -- 10-20 minutes per book? -- 20 to 30 books in a few hours. I am a bit skeptical, but maybe it is doable. I am curios to know if anyone else on HN can read/comprehend a non-fiction business book in less than 30 mins. I went ahead and ordered '10 days to faster reading'.

Just this morning I had the idea that since so many books are appearing in electronic format it won't be long before lots of the text has been tagged. I'm reading an enjoyable book about sleep right now. In many places the author goes into personal stories that led to a particular discovery. I thought 'wouldn't it be nice to be able to have those parts filtered for me by my Kindle software?'. I could see things getti…

1. Get out your kindle

2. buy a copy of Neuromancer

3. search for the part where Case tells his Ono-Sendai to "sift this shit. 2 minute precis"

4. Be amazed once again that a guy with a typewriter predicted what you're doing.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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DIY Financial Engineering: 1. Sign up for an Interactive Brokers account; state that you want to trade options. 2. Transfer >25K (day-trading capability) or whatever is reasonable amount money for you. Enough for you to care about but not over the amount where if you lost it all, you'd lose sleep over. 3. Now use the highest/lowest volatility scanner and buy/sell some options randomly in that list; max out your real…

> max out your real cash to accumulate positions (do not go on margin)

Options can't be bought on margin. They lose value over time and thus can't be used as any form of collateral.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I do, only I've practiced enough to cut the time per book to 10-20 minutes, depending on complexity. Reading for information extraction vs. word-for-word is much more efficient, and if you practice, your comprehension and retention is just as high. It's not uncommon for me to go to the library or B&N and read a stack of 20-30 books in a few hours. I've been reading business books for six years, an…

Wow! Has anyone else achieved this level of efficiency in their reading? -- 10-20 minutes per book? -- 20 to 30 books in a few hours. I am a bit skeptical, but maybe it is doable. I am curios to know if anyone else on HN can read/comprehend a non-fiction business book in less than 30 mins. I went ahead and ordered '10 days to faster reading'.

@JohnWatson

Serendipity! I was thinking the same thing -- though I was thinking more along the lines of Quora posts.

This is a feature I have posted about and asked for on Reddit actually; the ability to tag information to topic and quality etc.

This would really apply to quora best though, as the information is already sorted in one dimenstion: quora topics.

I'd like to be able to assemble and curate information from sources like quora and get them into a more of a how-to; infact I posted a question along these lines on quora, with little response.

(http://www.quora.com/Would-Quora-users-like-an-entrepreneurs...)

However - I predict that this will be a golden goose of social search. A question is asked within a particular topic, experts respond - then the best answers to the most popular questions within a topic, and tagged by the audience, are assembled into cliff-notes of information on that topic.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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"""But you pay someone to indoctrinate you with exactly the same methods and formulae that all of your competitors are using. Then you expect to come to not just a different conclusion, but a market-beating conclusion? That just sounds dumb.""" Counter argument: Creativity entails not only novelty (that outside the box stuff) but also utility, and in order to be useful, it has to go above-and-beyond what is already k…

The question is, once you get in, how do you get out?

I think the answer to that question is genius and hard work.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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I'm not the original poster, but I've found that most 300 page business books contain 10-20 pages of useful info and 280-290 pages of fluff and filler. I generally skim through the average business book in an hour or 2, including the time to make notes of all the potentially useful advice I find. It's rare to find a business book worth carefully reading cover to cover.

That's exactly what I do, only I've practiced enough to cut the time per book to 10-20 minutes, depending on complexity. Reading for information extraction vs. word-for-word is much more efficient, and if you practice, your comprehension and retention is just as high. It's not uncommon for me to go to the library or B&N and read a stack of 20-30 books in a few hours. I've been reading business books for six years, an…

Wow, and you actually find these books valuable? Any book I read that I truly learn something from usually takes weeks or months to get through. Call me slow but it just takes time for real information to sink in for me. Sure I understand the words, but to fully absorb the knowledge takes time. Reading 200-400 books a year - how do you ever get the chance to absorb any of that information? If you can really learn valuable information from a book in 10-20 minutes than I am jealous.

Maybe business books are just different than technical/science oriented ones.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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post #41

This is exactly what I did with business, instead of getting an MBA or a PhD. Here's my reading list: http://personalmba.com/best-business-books/ Here's the book I wrote, condensing what I learned in the process: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591843529/ I now own my own business, work for myself as a business teacher and consultant, have an enormous amount of flexibility in my day-to-day schedule, and make more t…

Any chance you could put an ebook up for sale? Your book hasn't been released in Europe yet, and the import charges when buying from Amazon.com are pretty bad (~200% increase in price). :-/

I can't sell an e-book directly, due to the grant of rights to the publisher. Kindle, etc. is the best option - the UK/International version comes out February 3rd, and an international Kindle version should be coming with it.

That said, I'd recommend getting your hands on a hard copy if you can - the book is designed to be equal parts primer and reference, and the hard copy is optimized for easy reference use.

Re: Do It Yourself Masters in Financial Engineering

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I do, only I've practiced enough to cut the time per book to 10-20 minutes, depending on complexity. Reading for information extraction vs. word-for-word is much more efficient, and if you practice, your comprehension and retention is just as high. It's not uncommon for me to go to the library or B&N and read a stack of 20-30 books in a few hours. I've been reading business books for six years, an…

Wow, and you actually find these books valuable? Any book I read that I truly learn something from usually takes weeks or months to get through. Call me slow but it just takes time for real information to sink in for me. Sure I understand the words, but to fully absorb the knowledge takes time. Reading 200-400 books a year - how do you ever get the chance to absorb any of that information? If you can really learn val…

Business texts and technical books are very different. I read math/science/programming books as well - I'm currently working through Probability Theory: The Logic of Science by E.T. Jaynes. There's no way I could grok that book in 20 minutes.

10-20 minutes won't cut it for deep technical material, particularly if the book is designed to teach via working through examples. If you're reading a workbook, then take the time to work through the examples. Choose your workbooks carefully, since they require a more significant time investment.

Most non-fiction books, however, are written around a few simple, straightforward concepts - you can identify them in a few minutes. A few more minutes identifying examples, relationships to other concepts, and counter-examples / edge cases, and you've extracted 90% of the value of the text.

Almost every non-fiction book fits this model. It pays to tailor your reading approach to what you're reading.

As to value - in general, most business books are marginally valuable in isolation. Once you read many of them, however, very useful patterns begin to emerge. Recognizing and using those patterns provides the value.

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